cemetary Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 Well FIFERS, the meeting is this week, what doo you think will go on, doo you think it will be on for a couple of hours or what, will you be there.
gordi.b Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 will be going , quite like the Y/B race proposal
alex wight Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 i was at the councillors meeting, and going by the way some people were going on, we will be taking a backward step AGAIN. I cant see the race programme increasing, as there isnt any money available to do so, the way we are going at the moment. I,ve been asking around about joint convoying, again. And there is some interest, however our officials havent approached anyone to air some ideas. I also spoke to friends in peterhead, who have a 20 race programme, which costs less than us, again we need to look at better operations to help ourselves. But i,m afraid this aint going to happen, not at present anyway. Dont know if i,ll be there, as i dont like to be spoken to like i was a 2 year old (just like the councillors meeting). this is my opinion, hope i,m wrong.
trueblue Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 it would work if it wos put on the birds in not the fanciers
alex wight Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 it would work if it wos put on the birds in not the fanciers it should be put on the membership, just like a golf club does, equally. if you put it on the birdage, the birdage would drop, thus going around in circles. For easy figures, if it cost £20,000 to run the fed minus the previous years birdage £5000 = £15000 divided by membership (150) =£100 per member. at least we know the fed would survive. Am i correct in saying that we made a £6000 loss this year? if so how are we going to stop that happening again, with less members this year than last? serious questions need to be asked and action needs to be taken by people who dont wear blinkers. The other added problem we have is the price of fuel, again higher this than last. The writing is on the wall guys, we need to be realistic here and act on it on it before we need to join another fed as fife will go down the swany, soon.
alex wight Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 Another fed has 147 we have 150. Their fees are £5 for a junior, £10 for an oap, and £15 for others, ours is £68. their birdage is 25p up to 300 miles, then 45p up to 340 miles, then 50p thereafter, ours is 27p(convoying to pick up point) 32p if pick up at club hut. they have 20 races we have 12. they have a 7.5 tonne lorry carrying in the region of 2600 birds. We have a trailer that can carry 4500, but only attracts 2600 max. Their secretary gets paid 20% less what we pay ours. As you see there seems to be huge differences between feds. I hope these lads dont mind me comparing costs, but it just goes to show what can be done if the right people , do the right thing.
THE FIFER Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 Another fed has 147 we have 150. Their fees are £5 for a junior, £10 for an oap, and £15 for others, ours is £68. their birdage is 25p up to 300 miles, then 45p up to 340 miles, then 50p thereafter, ours is 27p(convoying to pick up point) 32p if pick up at club hut. they have 20 races we have 12. they have a 7.5 tonne lorry carrying in the region of 2600 birds. We have a trailer that can carry 4500, but only attracts 2600 max. Their secretary gets paid 20% less what we pay ours. As you see there seems to be huge differences between feds. I hope these lads dont mind me comparing costs, but it just goes to show what can be done if the right people , do the right thing. thats against SHU rules, SHU club rule 6, last line, The annual subscription to be the same for all members, also we are not a golf club, I would say if you want us to go by something similar I would say ,HORSE or DOG racing,and in those you pay for your entries, put up birdage you say we will loss birdage, the same goes put up fees and you will lose members, I think if its the transporting the birds which is costing then it should be paid for by the birds entered, and instead of paying the same per bird for 60 mile races as for 300ml races is where we go wrong, the further out we go the more we should pay, this is not a dig ,its just my views, the Fed meeting has been changed,the date and also instead of a Sunday its a Saturday I think this could be bad for attendance,I know the Leven club have their presentation on the Friday so if having a good drink I wont be driving, it was changed because it was on the same day as the SNFC meeting which was a good idea as I have been told only 1 Fife member attended the SNFC meeting,
cemetary Posted January 31, 2011 Author Report Posted January 31, 2011 Another fed has 147 we have 150. Their fees are £5 for a junior, £10 for an oap, and £15 for others, ours is £68. their birdage is 25p up to 300 miles, then 45p up to 340 miles, then 50p thereafter, ours is 27p(convoying to pick up point) 32p if pick up at club hut. they have 20 races we have 12. they have a 7.5 tonne lorry carrying in the region of 2600 birds. We have a trailer that can carry 4500, but only attracts 2600 max. Their secretary gets paid 20% less what we pay ours. As you see there seems to be huge differences between feds. I hope these lads dont mind me comparing costs, but it just goes to show what can be done if the right people , do the right thing. Ecky, I no where you are coming from with some owe the figures, but you have ti get them right before putting it down for people to read, i looked at some owe the figures for the fed this year, and one of the races, the birdage was higher that you have put down of 2600.
alex wight Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 Ecky, I no where you are coming from with some owe the figures, but you have ti get them right before putting it down for people to read, i looked at some owe the figures for the fed this year, and one of the races, the birdage was higher that you have put down of 2600. yer right mucker missed that one. that was done of the top o ma heed, just to give an idea. The facts and figures are here, but after i put a lot of effort into my last proposal to be screwed up and thrown out, i,ve not put the same effort in, cheers for being awake though lol.
cemetary Posted January 31, 2011 Author Report Posted January 31, 2011 yer right mucker missed that one. that was done of the top o ma heed, just to give an idea. The facts and figures are here, but after i put a lot of effort into my last proposal to be screwed up and thrown out, i,ve not put the same effort in, cheers for being awake though lol. Ave always ti be on ma taes with you and figures, here ti keep yi right auld fella. And me thinks the same will happen if its tryed this year again.
alex wight Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 thats against SHU rules, SHU club rule 6, last line, The annual subscription to be the same for all members, also we are not a golf club, I would say if you want us to go by something similar I would say ,HORSE or DOG racing,and in those you pay for your entries, put up birdage you say we will loss birdage, the same goes put up fees and you will lose members, I think if its the transporting the birds which is costing then it should be paid for by the birds entered, and instead of paying the same per bird for 60 mile races as for 300ml races is where we go wrong, the further out we go the more we should pay, this is not a dig ,its just my views, the Fed meeting has been changed,the date and also instead of a Sunday its a Saturday I think this could be bad for attendance,I know the Leven club have their presentation on the Friday so if having a good drink I wont be driving, it was changed because it was on the same day as the SNFC meeting which was a good idea as I have been told only 1 Fife member attended the SNFC meeting, archie 1. you say we are not a golf club i never said we were, it was an example of how other sports clubs manage to survive.(we are not dogs or horses either) 2. I just cant get my head around putting birdage up, the big fliers to keep the smaller fliers doesnt sound fair to me. If you fly 10 birds per race that member would be giving the fed in the region of £36 per season on top of the fees £68 = £104. so if thats the case going back to equal payments, all birds after 10 have to pay 20p per bird may be an idea. 3. everyone is entitled to their views and i for one fully accept. 4.the meeting is on the saturday due the thornton hall being booked for the sunday. if the fed was important to its members arrangements would be made to get there, however over the years i,ve oinly ever seen 30% of membership turn up. 5. why dont fifers go to the snfc meeting? cheers archie nice view points mucker, hope your presentation goes well, i,m sure it will. Why do you have it every year i,m on call lol. regards alex.
THE FIFER Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 yer right mucker missed that one. that was done of the top o ma heed, just to give an idea. The facts and figures are here, but after i put a lot of effort into my last proposal to be screwed up and thrown out, i,ve not put the same effort in, cheers for being awake though lol. dont understand the transport sheet we got with our ballance sheet, with prices for 2010 and prices for 2011, most are the same alex,
robbiedoo. Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 Another fed has 147 we have 150. Their fees are £5 for a junior, £10 for an oap, and £15 for others, ours is £68. their birdage is 25p up to 300 miles, then 45p up to 340 miles, then 50p thereafter, ours is 27p(convoying to pick up point) 32p if pick up at club hut. they have 20 races we have 12. they have a 7.5 tonne lorry carrying in the region of 2600 birds. We have a trailer that can carry 4500, but only attracts 2600 max. Their secretary gets paid 20% less what we pay ours. As you see there seems to be huge differences between feds. I hope these lads dont mind me comparing costs, but it just goes to show what can be done if the right people , do the right thing. alex why dont you as a fed put a letter in to our fed about joint convoying just say for the 3 longest old bird races i dont know your distances but mine is 321-353-and 483 miles our fed must be the one of the cheapest in britain to fly in .there is always plenty of room in the transporter for these races and for me you are more than welcome the more the merrier pal
alex wight Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 dont understand the transport sheet we got with our ballance sheet, with prices for 2010 and prices for 2011, most are the same alex, i,m the same archie but we never had the balance sheet at the councillors meeting (which i thought we should have), to discuss it. I,m more concerned about the rate of money we are losing? i,m an optimist but i dont see a bright future for our fed, or is it just me?. what a world we now live in eh.
cemetary Posted January 31, 2011 Author Report Posted January 31, 2011 archie 1. you say we are not a golf club i never said we were, it was an example of how other sports clubs manage to survive.(we are not dogs or horses either) 2. I just cant get my head around putting birdage up, the big fliers to keep the smaller fliers doesnt sound fair to me. If you fly 10 birds per race that member would be giving the fed in the region of £36 per season on top of the fees £68 = £104. so if thats the case going back to equal payments, all birds after 10 have to pay 20p per bird may be an idea. 3. everyone is entitled to their views and i for one fully accept. 4.the meeting is on the saturday due the thornton hall being booked for the sunday. if the fed was important to its members arrangements would be made to get there, however over the years i,ve oinly ever seen 30% of membership turn up. 5. why dont fifers go to the snfc meeting? cheers archie nice view points mucker, hope your presentation goes well, i,m sure it will. Why do you have it every year i,m on call lol. regards alex. Ecky no 5, maybe too far ti travel for some, was you there, no, oot on call ma *expletive removed*. The presentation was a success last year, and will be the same this year, you knew aboot this months ago, so you could be there, no excuse Gadge, a would have picked yi up for free, but make own way home.
alex wight Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 alex why dont you as a fed put a letter in to our fed about joint convoying just say for the 3 longest old bird races i dont know your distances but mine is 321-353-and 483 miles our fed must be the one of the cheapest in britain to fly in .there is always plenty of room in the transporter for these races and for me you are more than welcome the more the merrier pal robbie its a fantastic idea, but for some reason or another our fed doesnt look into these things, and i,m sure if we did we could certainly come up with something surely. i,m only trying to help us but keep getting shot down in flames. nice to hear from you too mucker. the way your fed operates is amazing and we realy need to look closely to see if we could do the same.
alex wight Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 Ecky no 5, maybe too far ti travel for some, was you there, no, oot on call ma *expletive removed*. The presentation was a success last year, and will be the same this year, you knew aboot this months ago, so you could be there, no excuse Gadge, a would have picked yi up for free, but make own way home. No5 no i wasnt probably the same reason we all have is thats its too far, and i was working. I,m trying to recoup the money i lost when i moved to the cooncil, i,m a pauper now, no like yersel money bags lol
THE FIFER Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 alex why dont you as a fed put a letter in to our fed about joint convoying just say for the 3 longest old bird races i dont know your distances but mine is 321-353-and 483 miles our fed must be the one of the cheapest in britain to fly in .there is always plenty of room in the transporter for these races and for me you are more than welcome the more the merrier pal when I took over Fife FED president things were low, we started joint convoying and in the combine the Fed was booming good bank book etc, and most of it was up to the good work of my Vice president and SEcy Jimmy and Jessie Keir, I was president for about 4-5 years, after I left the joint convoying and combine all stopped and we are now struggling with expensive convoying,
alex wight Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 when I took over Fife FED president things were low, we started joint convoying and in the combine the Fed was booming good bank book etc, and most of it was up to the good work of my Vice president and SEcy Jimmy and Jessie Keir, I was president for about 4-5 years, after I left the joint convoying and combine all stopped and we are now struggling with expensive convoying, bloody frustrating archie, a think a wee shake up may be needed? we dont need to be in a bad position just some ground work needs to be carried out. Do you no fancy doing president again????? i,m sure you could get us going where we need to be going. We have never recovered after the split i feel.
cemetary Posted January 31, 2011 Author Report Posted January 31, 2011 bloody frustrating archie, a think a wee shake up may be needed? we dont need to be in a bad position just some ground work needs to be carried out. Do you no fancy doing president again????? i,m sure you could get us going where we need to be going. We have never recovered after the split i feel. Ecky, Dont think the split has anything ti doo with it mate, its the the way the business is being run me thinks. Some owe them that fell awe fi the mighty Fife Fed are wanting back me hears,
THE FIFER Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 bloody frustrating archie, a think a wee shake up may be needed? we dont need to be in a bad position just some ground work needs to be carried out. Do you no fancy doing president again????? i,m sure you could get us going where we need to be going. We have never recovered after the split i feel. the joint convoying was good, I think the problem came when drivers had times, the feds going with us had to bring their birds down, as we couldnt go up to get them, pity we cant get a way so our transporter started further up north picking other feds up on the way down, its a little more cost but what we would get from other feds would pay for it,
robbiedoo. Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 when I took over Fife FED president things were low, we started joint convoying and in the combine the Fed was booming good bank book etc, and most of it was up to the good work of my Vice president and SEcy Jimmy and Jessie Keir, I was president for about 4-5 years, after I left the joint convoying and combine all stopped and we are now struggling with expensive convoying, i cant understand why some feds are so expensive to fly in its crazy our fed dosent have the biggest birdage in scotland but we are the cheapest to fly . its about time we all pulled together to save the fancy some cash that some dont have in this hard times .how do we get the ball rolling cause for me the fuller our transporter is the better for everybody .
nogin Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 i cant understand why some feds are so expensive to fly in its crazy our fed dosent have the biggest birdage in scotland but we are the cheapest to fly . its about time we all pulled together to save the fancy some cash that some dont have in this hard times .how do we get the ball rolling cause for me the fuller our transporter is the better for everybody . :emoticon-0137-clapping: :emoticon-0137-clapping: :emoticon
alex wight Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 the joint convoying was good, I think the problem came when drivers had times, the feds going with us had to bring their birds down, as we couldnt go up to get them, pity we cant get a way so our transporter started further up north picking other feds up on the way down, its a little more cost but what we would get from other feds would pay for it, All it needs archie, is for the right person to pursue these matters, this is a lot serious than anyone in our fed realises. Some people need to take the blinkers off and actually see where the problems are. To me its easy to ask around to see whats available, then discuss how it can work, then go for it. Our membership (most) dont have a clue whats going on, and therefore trust the top table to lead them the correct way. In my opinion thats not happening, we are being led done a darkened road that is going to end very soon. Only if they would listen to some ideas and then look into it, may be a start.
alex wight Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 i cant understand why some feds are so expensive to fly in its crazy our fed dosent have the biggest birdage in scotland but we are the cheapest to fly . its about time we all pulled together to save the fancy some cash that some dont have in this hard times .how do we get the ball rolling cause for me the fuller our transporter is the better for everybody . robbie, i,m movin hoos to the brough, your fed has a brilliant way of doing things at a minimum cost therefore the fancy have a brilliant hobby. Its a 2 way road, if the members are happy then theres harmony throughout. If not, then theres a rebellion. some of the things we are paying are ludicrous, and the cost is even worse, they need to be addressed NOW.
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