Inbreeding

[Roland]

Now I must stress here that the adnormilties, madness, and other deteriation of the bird aren't taken into account, nor that it is most likely will happen over a short period of time. The quicker the out cross in that case the better of course. You will quickly be breeding culls if over done. But I thought that for those interested in 'Incest Breeding' the questions of why, and how needs to be assertain before one starts out on this course.

 

http://www.racingbirds.com/breeding.html

[Roland]

Bob Flemmings 'Mr eyesign' sadly is no longer with us.

Though I personally don't understand, nor wish to, any merit in either the 'Eyesign' Theory or incest breeding, I admired Bob and have great respect for him. He excelled in many other aspects of the 'Pigeon Game', and flew a good pigeon for both him self and others, namely Curtis Strange.

My friend Bill no longer races, but is in good health. He was a great flyer as was his dad who flew well in the 'Hanging Monkeys' land before Bill emigrated to Canada.

He was, the last time he visited and stay will me, the President of Canada's governing body, the C.U.

[tommy2]

Now I must stress here that the adnormilties, madness, and other deteriation of the bird aren't taken into account, nor that it is most likely will happen over a short period of time. The quicker the out cross in that case the better of course. You will quickly be breeding culls if over done. But I thought that for those interested in 'Incest Breeding' the questions of why, and how needs to be assertain before one starts out on this course.

 

http://www.racingbirds.com/breeding.html

 

Can`t agree with that Roland oldboy,that`s the beauty of inbreeding,you can find out quickly what hidden faults your so called "good" birds carry.The good and bad points come to the surface,and wether your a hand selector,or use Mr Basket ,ruthless selection`s the order of the day,i would have thought a chap like your goodself would be pleased to find any latent genes your birds may be carrying,but then again,all we pigeon boys love to deceive ourselfs,year after year,no wonder the dealers make a killing at this time of the year.

Thankyou

[Guest Owen]

I think that the whole subject of inbreeding is the most misunderstood idea ever. I know people who will put relitives together just because they are related. I know others who put relitives together just because they have a successful ancester in common. So they will risk a reduction in vitallity in the hope that the genes they hope for are going to be present in any young they will breed. That may work in creatures that are bred for their looks, but it is very unlikely to work in creatures that are bred for their physical qualities. Additionally, the genes being bred for must, of neccessity, be recognised in the idividuals used in the breeding programme. In other words it is highly desirable that the selected individuals must have shown their qualities by performing in the activity they are being bred for. It could be high flying, endurance or speed over a certain distance.

In practice the whole technique of imbreeding needs a lot of individuals to be used in the breeding programme to stand any reasonable chance to find the quality individuals needed to make progress towards the sort after goal.

I have concluded, and best way to find the sort of pigeons we need are best found through crossing performance individuals together. After all it is the chosen method used by most of the best fanciers both in Britain and on the Continent.

[JohnQuinn]

I inbreed as a matter of course every year, not All of my pairings but a fair percentage of them. I find the best racers come from these inbred birds crossed with another family, but the inbreeding is an essential part of the program. JMO.

[Guest newcomer]

I inbreed as a matter of course every year, not All of my pairings but a fair percentage of them. I find the best racers come from these inbred birds crossed with another family, but the inbreeding is an essential part of the program. JMO.

 

When talking about inbreeding how close would you go, or is safe to go, if the birds you are trying fit the bill as to speak.

[aye ready]

paired a brother/sister together this year in the race loft as they had both scored well as yearlings,took 2 young birds off them no abnormalities in any of them in fact they couldn,t be picked out in the young bird loft,the cock of the pair went the full programme and the hen went to the 2nd last race and this was done just as an experiment but wouldn't base a loft on pure inbreeding