Job Losses

[Guest homestead]

If you are on bennefit and refuse a job even if its not what you do ( bicklayer, joiner ect )you will loose part of your bennefit. The police in Manchester are making 700 community police and other staff and 320 policemen redundant. There are no jobs about so how are these people going to find work. If we stopped supporting the rest of the worlds scroungers that want an easy life in Britain and look after our own we would be better off. We have enough scroungers and people with glass backs of our own without taking more in. Castelae was just saying what a hell of a lot of people are thinking without being racist I have paid in to a pension for 40 years and wont be any better off than someone getting off the back of a wagon. People put articles up about getting rid of birds of prey and nothing said so let Castelae have his say.

 

Regards

 

Les

[greenlands]

THIS IS ENGLAND>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SORRY THIS WAS ENGLAND

 

 

Hi Lee, your correct in everything you say mate, we can be offended but others can't

I done the dole stunt for 3 month couldn't get a penny because I had save all my life,by the way I worked from the day I left school in 61,but managed early retirement through my own back pocket.

THIS WAS ENGLAND

Lindsay C.

[Guest strapper]

heres a joke aired on p/chat yesterday..

 

two pakistani women are chatting one proudly says to the other i've only been here in england for 6 months and i can already speak polish,

 

now i personally believe that if it comes about ,when the benefits agency stop benfits from those that get offered 3 jobs and turn them down..

 

will this happen..

 

1/they have no money to pay for food...what will they do....go hungry.

 

2/they have no money to pay bills heating/electric...what will they do....freeze.

 

3/they have no money to pay bills/food what will they do...steal other peoples property!!

 

4/ they have no money to pay bills/food and they steal what will they do get fined.

 

5/they have no money to pay bills/food and pay their fines what will they do...go to prison and cost the goverment £200 a week to keep them there.

 

6/they had no money to pay their bills/food/fines and they come out of prison...what will they do..get grants to resettle them from prison life and start off with benfits again

 

the goverment is in one hell of a mess and dont know what they are bringing about.

[Guest mick bowler]

We dont worry about job losses here anymore as there are no jobs to be lost.

[Craig05]

i really think you are missing the point here. Government is using the 3 strikes rule on employment, which is if you are able to work rather than sit at home on benefits and you are offered 3 jobs and turn them all down, your benefits will be stopped. (this is not aimed at genuine people who genuinly do have disabilities and cant work for one reason or another) but rather those scroungers that you mention who just cant be arsed to get up in the morning and go out to work, but rather sit at home and bleed the tax payer dry.

 

My opinion (brilliant) and should have happened years ago and maybe that way the country wouldnt have been in the mess that it is. The UK has to be one of a very few countries that allows people who are perfectly able to sit at home and claim benefits when they could be out there working and contributing to the tax man.....

i say this tounge in cheek, but i would imagine if some of these scroungers did go out and work, it would mean less jobs for "these foreign scroungers" as you put it. just a thought

[Guest mick bowler]

Its simple really, if you have never put into it you shouldnt be allowed to take it out.

[Guest strapper]

i remember when we had part time jobs like the council round here ran...you would work 3 days for say £58 plus youd still have housing benfits etc..you would have the other two days off...these were called schemes...where you learned to use your hands and gained some experience.

i myself worked on one of these schemes years ago(i was already skilled) and eventually became a fulltime supervisor in the building part of that scheme.

 

it put thousands into employment...WHY HAVENT THEY GOT THESE SCHEMES NOW?

 

it would mean the unemployed having to work as it required no skills to start on them.

[VAGIN]

heres a joke aired on p/chat yesterday..

 

two pakistani women are chatting one proudly says to the other i've only been here in england for 6 months and i can already speak polish,

 

now i personally believe that if it comes about ,when the benefits agency stop benfits from those that get offered 3 jobs and turn them down..

 

will this happen..

 

1/they have no money to pay for food...what will they do....go hungry.

 

2/they have no money to pay bills heating/electric...what will they do....freeze.

 

3/they have no money to pay bills/food what will they do...steal other peoples property!!

 

4/ they have no money to pay bills/food and they steal what will they do get fined.

 

5/they have no money to pay bills/food and pay their fines what will they do...go to prison and cost the goverment £200 a week to keep them there.

 

6/they had no money to pay their bills/food/fines and they come out of prison...what will they do..get grants to resettle them from prison life and start off with benfits again

 

the goverment is in one hell of a mess and dont know what they are bringing about.

What prison are you talking about mate £200 a week try £500 a week and thats from a prison officer

[Guest strapper]

What prison are you talking about mate £200 a week try £500 a week and thats from a prison officer

 

i was going off a report in recent years...ive no doubt that they would have increased by now...especially with the goverments we have had in recent years lol

[Guest IB]

I think I've experienced all sides of the coin. I was in continuous employment for 31 years before leaving to better myself by getting university degrees - got them, then found I couldn't get a job, even though I was registered unemployed. In all the 8 years on the 'broo' I was not offered a single job. So what they are telling you about benefit cuts is a scam - playing on the general ill-will towards folk on benefits of any kind. And every so often, a new 'training scheme' would come up and you were on it. Another scam. Because if you were training you weren't registered unemployed, and the monthly unemployement figures would drop making the government of the day look good.

 

And down at the 'broo' or on those training courses I met not one single person of 'other than British origin' because they have a pride in themselves and a work ethic worth copying. Work all day in self-employment or in jobs the lilly-white folk won't lower themselves to do, like on public transport, restaurants, farms, the corner shop open all hours.

 

My wife is disabled, walks with aid of a frame, but that didn't stop them taking away her Disability Living Allowance, even though paperwork was completed by her own doctor who treats her and knows her condition, which deteriorates year on yaer. Desk-jockeys decided to ask for a second opinion - from another doctor who had never even seen my wife - and made a decision against renewing her previous award sitting at his desk. Went to a Tribunal who obviously saw the woman at first hand - and they overturned that decision. Wife still went without Support for 6 months though, at a time I was registerd unemployed and getting 20p (TWENTY PENCE) a FORTNIGHT Job Seekers Allowance to keep both of us. You see I made the mistake of working all my life and paying into all the Tax Funds and a Works pension, but that was all clawed back off me, leaving 20p which was paid into my bank account every 2 weeks. But we still considered ourselves fortunate after meeting other poor souls put in the same state as ourselves, one particular woman burst into tears when she came back out after having her DLA re-instated, she'd been on the breadline for 6 months too - put there by people acting on Government diktat to reduce benefits - to pander to folk in jobs who basically don't have a scooby-doo of what it is like for bona-fide folk to live on benefits - and who just don't care.

I finally landed a job when I was down to my last £100. Interviewed Monday, got Job Offer by phone on the Tuesday, Advised on the Wednesday to start job the following Monday, and I've been here ever since, doing a daft wee laddie's job for £13K a year, but mighty glad of it. Out of pocket? I'll say. 8 x 13K in lost potential earnings = £104K. Paid my own way thro Uni = £20K.

 

Great to have my dinity back. Benefit is always the bare minimum - what the government reckons you need to EXIST ON. If you think living on benefit is the bees knees - TRY IT.

[Guest mick bowler]

Its simple really, if you have never put into it you shouldnt be allowed to take it out.

 

 

IB, i wrote this then thought about it, and did realise in reality it is actually the very opposite, put it in and you get *expletive removed* all out, put nothing in and you get it all, what you have wrote backs that up, as do many other cases.

 

My wife is also disabled (limited mobility) and has been to a degree for many years. We applied many times for DLA and were turned down many times. We then went to a tribunal and were sat next to a woman and her partner (female too). Her partner went on to explain they were there for the exact same reason we were, appealing their DLA decision, based on the grounds this woman was deaf. I did ask did that stop her working and it didnt. They went in before us and were awarded the payment (and carers allowance). We were turned down again. sums it up i think.

[gulkie]

the powers that be , what are they going to sacrifice to help

the country get on its feet.we the British public what do we do

about it sweet fek all ,same as the pigeon game talk about what

should be done and then do nothing :angry:

[Guest spin cycle]

i hope alex reconsiders...but he had his say and IMO admin. have to go with what they think is best for the site. its very difficult not to agree with the sentiments alex expressed and i think it obscene that anyone could consider him a racist. the trouble is IMO that the country is largely being run or influenced by 'liberal left politically correct idealists' who are the only ones who can bother to get involved in polotics. when anyone disagrees with them over immigration they are to quick to brand them racists....rather than tackle the issues. good luck alex

[Craig05]

I think I've experienced all sides of the coin. I was in continuous employment for 31 years before leaving to better myself by getting university degrees - got them, then found I couldn't get a job, even though I was registered unemployed. In all the 8 years on the 'broo' I was not offered a single job. So what they are telling you about benefit cuts is a scam - playing on the general ill-will towards folk on benefits of any kind. And every so often, a new 'training scheme' would come up and you were on it. Another scam. Because if you were training you weren't registered unemployed, and the monthly unemployement figures would drop making the government of the day look good.

 

And down at the 'broo' or on those training courses I met not one single person of 'other than British origin' because they have a pride in themselves and a work ethic worth copying. Work all day in self-employment or in jobs the lilly-white folk won't lower themselves to do, like on public transport, restaurants, farms, the corner shop open all hours.

 

My wife is disabled, walks with aid of a frame, but that didn't stop them taking away her Disability Living Allowance, even though paperwork was completed by her own doctor who treats her and knows her condition, which deteriorates year on yaer. Desk-jockeys decided to ask for a second opinion - from another doctor who had never even seen my wife - and made a decision against renewing her previous award sitting at his desk. Went to a Tribunal who obviously saw the woman at first hand - and they overturned that decision. Wife still went without Support for 6 months though, at a time I was registerd unemployed and getting 20p (TWENTY PENCE) a FORTNIGHT Job Seekers Allowance to keep both of us. You see I made the mistake of working all my life and paying into all the Tax Funds and a Works pension, but that was all clawed back off me, leaving 20p which was paid into my bank account every 2 weeks. But we still considered ourselves fortunate after meeting other poor souls put in the same state as ourselves, one particular woman burst into tears when she came back out after having her DLA re-instated, she'd been on the breadline for 6 months too - put there by people acting on Government diktat to reduce benefits - to pander to folk in jobs who basically don't have a scooby-doo of what it is like for bona-fide folk to live on benefits - and who just don't care.

I finally landed a job when I was down to my last £100. Interviewed Monday, got Job Offer by phone on the Tuesday, Advised on the Wednesday to start job the following Monday, and I've been here ever since, doing a daft wee laddie's job for £13K a year, but mighty glad of it. Out of pocket? I'll say. 8 x 13K in lost potential earnings = £104K. Paid my own way thro Uni = £20K.

 

Great to have my dinity back. Benefit is always the bare minimum - what the government reckons you need to EXIST ON. If you think living on benefit is the bees knees - TRY IT.

 

IB, like i said, it is the people who are able to work and choose not to that the govenment are targeting. people with genuine disabilities in my opinion are more than entitled to benefits. i cant comment on benefits in the UK as i have never been on them, but have had a neighbour on mobility benefits and i tell you what, the car that was parked on the drive and renewed every couple of years did seem the "bees knees" to me.

unemployment is at an all time low at the moment and has been for the last few years, but please, i hear people say that there are no jobs out there... what alot of rubbish, people in the bricklaying trade for example are struggling to find work laying bricks at the moment because the building trade has gone quiet, so sign on, feel sorry for themself and complain about no jobs out there and sit at home waiting for something to fall out of the sky while claiming unemployment benefits.

why not go and stack shelves in one of the major supermarkets on a night shift, plenty of opportunity there as i have seen the ads while working in these stores. there is work out there, it just depends on how hard you are prepared to look and sometimes swallow a bit of pride and earn a living.

[sammy]

bring back the national service for ages up to 21 and all idlers on the baroo and that includes government officials who are on the take and there is plenty of them :D :D

[BLACK W F]

this country is well and truely i paid in all my days and always made good money worked long hours and what will i get pensions a joke benifits nowt or next to it but some one comes in to this country pays nowt in gets every thing

look at the scammers who are here illgal imigrants workin for sweeties keeps others wages doon

no one should be allowed into this country unless they have £50 000

cash to keep them untill they get prober work and houseing no scroungers

i for one am sick keeping these scroungers

Edited November 17, 2010 by IB

[lvlasked]

maybe people should vote BNP ?

[Craig05]

maybe people should vote BNP ?

 

???? thats rich! are you for real pal. :huh: times have changed, can you imagine!!!!!

[Craig05]

this country is well and truely i paid in all my days and always made good money worked long hours and what will i get pensions a joke benifits nowt or next to it but some one comes in to this country pays nowt in gets every thing

look at the scammers who are here illgal imigrants workin for sweeties keeps others wages doon

no one should be allowed into this country unless they have £50 000

cash to keep them untill they get prober work and houseing no scroungers

i for one am sick keeping these scroungers

Black WF, if you come into this country legitimitly that figure is not far off what is required. 10 years ago it cost me and my family huge amounts of money to come over here, we had to have 30k in the bank and that was on an ancestial visa, (my fathers from here) and i came over as a profesional rugby player to play and coach. i agree with you whole heartedly, you put so much in, but too many scroungers on benifits means that the decent folk that are prepared to work and contribute get very little back, as most of their money goes to feeding and housing the scroungers.

i think we are in agreement on this one?

[BLACK W F]

Black WF, if you come into this country legitimitly that figure is not far off what is required. 10 years ago it cost me and my family huge amounts of money to come over here, we had to have 30k in the bank and that was on an ancestial visa, (my fathers from here) and i came over as a profesional rugby player to play and coach. i agree with you whole heartedly, you put so much in, but too many scroungers on benifits means that the decent folk that are prepared to work and contribute get very little back, as most of their money goes to feeding and housing the scroungers.

i think we are in agreement on this one?

 

we are singin the same song i have not got any problem with folk comin in aslong as they pull their weight its the ones gettin in the back door and killin the hourly rate for the jobs they pay no taxes and get everything for nowt i believe students who are given a good education and qualify as doctors ect should have to practice for a min of 5 years in the national health system or what ever industry to give something back

the disrespect this country has been shown by certain elements burning poppy s time to send them kind back to their mud huts where they come from and spout their vile crap there i for one have more than had enough and theres many more feel the same way

i f you come here live by our rules and basic laws thats not a lot to ask for giving folk a better life than they have had

[Craig05]

we are singin the same song i have not got any problem with folk comin in aslong as they pull their weight its the ones gettin in the back door and killin the hourly rate for the jobs they pay no taxes and get everything for nowt i believe students who are given a good education and qualify as doctors ect should have to practice for a min of 5 years in the national health system or what ever industry to give something back

the disrespect this country has been shown by certain elements burning poppy s time to send them kind back to their mud huts where they come from and spout their vile crap there i for one have more than had enough and theres many more feel the same way

i f you come here live by our rules and basic laws thats not a lot to ask for giving folk a better life than they have had

 

Spot on Black WF! at long last we agree on something :P

[BLACK W F]

Spot on Black WF! at long last we agree on something :P

 

 

got to be on the same wave lenghth with some one some times

[Craig05]

In my opinion it is the coalitions responsibility to get those people that are out of work back into work by whatever means possible unless the person has a genuine disability or reason not to work.

 

Every day i see first hand someone close by not working but getting all there bills paid and living with more disposable income than we had and prob would have on my basic income.

 

I dont think that is right by any means however i would not begrudge someone who cannot work a penny of there entitlement providing it was valid and dictated by a doctor and not a pen pusher who just falls for a line.

 

For those unemployed without genuine reason then some form of community placement would in my view be ideal as this would learn people new albeit basic skills and allow potential employers to learn a little about the person, there work ethic and overall make the person more attractable for a position.

 

The above community placement would in those that really want to work for there keep give them at the very least a reasonable income and more importantly give them a sense of satisfaction that they are earning instead of being given. Those that do not want to work without a viable reason well that would be there call.

 

In fairness to foreign nationals over here, when i worked at the local pork factory these guys (and women) could work with the best of us, they in the whole did not fear work, long hours, crappy conditions etc and were a credit to themselves and due to them long hours certainly put plenty in the pot tax payer wise.

 

Chris

you took the words out of my mouth!! couldnt agree more. how you doing matey, please PM me your mobile number, need to speak to you. cheers Craig

[Craig05]

we are singin the same song i have not got any problem with folk comin in aslong as they pull their weight its the ones gettin in the back door and killin the hourly rate for the jobs they pay no taxes and get everything for nowt i believe students who are given a good education and qualify as doctors ect should have to practice for a min of 5 years in the national health system or what ever industry to give something back

the disrespect this country has been shown by certain elements burning poppy s time to send them kind back to their mud huts where they come from and spout their vile crap there i for one have more than had enough and theres many more feel the same way

i f you come here live by our rules and basic laws thats not a lot to ask for giving folk a better life than they have had

 

I have a speach that was made by the Australian Primister somewhere on email. i will dig it out, and post a copy. i wish this bloke was my Priminister, his speach is brilliant and makes so much sence