ets traps

[tryer]

cant seam to put photo on .

[Guest peter.j]

 

i have done the same as you pete with the sputnic but ppl say that its not alloud that i am breaking the rules, whats your say on it are any one else thanks.

 

from what ive been told once they enter the sputnic they are inside your loft the problems only arise when they can hit the landing board and be clocked as not technically in your loft

[demolition man]

 

But they would still be home from the race. What I don't understand is if you have an open door your bird can fly in and you remove the rubber then let the bird go is this breaking the rules do you have to confine the bird???

 

Wot i don't understand is stall straps are they not on the outside of the loft, and are. the birds not being timed outside the lofts, i agree with you about open doors,

 

[David048]

our club is still arguing whether to go for ETS or not. so far no-one has converted but it's only a matter of time and everyone will

[demolition man]

I don’t personally care whether the pads are inside the loft or out, whether the pigeon has to be confined or not but what does bother me is that us/we the fanciers have to police this system ourselves so please give us a set of rules that can be only interpreted one way.

 

I agree with you tony lets have it interpreted one way and well before the season gets started.

 

Regards

 

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

I have never been able to understand why people have so much trouble in understanding the rule regarding ETS,  dont try to find problems that dont exist to me it is quite simple rule 241 says,sThe antennae of the ETS must be fitted within the confines of the loft or trapping systems,that is all it is except where it also says not underneath external landing boards which again to me is straitforward enough,there is NO mention about the pigeon where it should or should not be.

[billt]

I have never been able to understand why people have so much trouble in understanding the rule regarding ETS,  dont try to find problems that dont exist to me it is quite simple rule 241 says,sThe antennae of the ETS must be fitted within the confines of the loft or trapping systems,that is all it is except where it also says not underneath external landing boards which again to me is straitforward enough,there is NO mention about the pigeon where it should or should not be.

 

Spot on there as you say no mention of the pigeon but I suppose it could be argued that if a pigeon enters a "TRAP" it should be trapped

[Guest peter.j]

 

Spot on there as you say no mention of the pigeon but I suppose it could be argued that if a pigeon enters a "TRAP" it should be trapped

no mention of the pigeon but if the ring is to pass over the sensor pad is the ring not attached to a ...PIGEON

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

no mention of the pigeon but if the ring is to pass over the sensor pad is the ring not attached to a ...PIGEON

Yes so whats your point.

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

Spot on there as you say no mention of the pigeon but I suppose it could be argued that if a pigeon enters a "TRAP" it should be trapped

 

Again your trying to put something in thats not in the rule.

[Guest peter.j]

if the pad is in the confines of the loft as stated and the ring must pass over the said pad to clock common sense tells you the pigeon must also be within the confines of the loft also so wether or not there is a mention of the pigeon in the rule the pigeon must be there also as the ring is attached to it

[billt]

if the pad is in the confines of the loft as stated and the ring must pass over the said pad to clock common sense tells you the pigeon must also be within the confines of the loft also so wether or not there is a mention of the pigeon in the rule the pigeon must be there also as the ring is attached to it

 

Was meaning after timing, no mention whether the bird should be confined to the loft or free to leave

[DOVEScot]

if the pad is in the confines of the loft as stated and the ring must pass over the said pad to clock common sense tells you the pigeon must also be within the confines of the loft also so wether or not there is a mention of the pigeon in the rule the pigeon must be there also as the ring is attached to it

 

I am going to alter my loft for ets so I need to know.

 

So when they talk about antenna do they mean the pad?

 

If a trap or anything else is fitted on your loft to house the antenna permanently then surely is part of your loft :-/

 

 

[billt]

 

I am going to alter my loft for ets so I need to know.

 

So when they talk about antenna do they mean the pad?

 

If a trap or anything else is fitted on your loft to house the antenna permanently then surely is part of your loft :-/

 

Yes rule states loft or trapping system

 

 

[Guest peter.j]

 

Was meaning after timing, no mention whether the bird should be confined to the loft or free to leave

 

i know with our federation the bird neds to be verified but while visiting to check bird ring numbers etc they also see if your trapping is within the rules set out by rpra ,there was an incident last year where a member was disqualified for club and fed positions due to this i wont comment any more as not sure if its resolved but basic story was as birds hit the landing board they where clocked and this was a no no even tho the pads where inside his trap

[PIGEON_MAN]

if the pad is in the confines of the loft as stated and the ring must pass over the said pad to clock common sense tells you the pigeon must also be within the confines of the loft also so wether or not there is a mention of the pigeon in the rule the pigeon must be there also as the ring is attached to it

 

I,m sorry but your wrong,my trap is as follows,imagine a box with open ends the box is fitted inside the loft with the pad fitted underneath it,so the pad is within the confines of the loft,on the back of the box are bobwires so the bird can get into the loft without any of the others getting out,the front of the box is open and is flush with the outside of the loft, a landing board is hinged to this which is dropped down when the bird arrives home it lands on the landing board goes into the box and is clocked in,if it wants to it can then fly back out or go through the bob wires into the loft.

[billt]

Under WHPU rules a bird must not be able to leave after timing

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

i know with our federation the bird neds to be verified but while visiting to check bird ring numbers etc they also see if your trapping is within the rules set out by rpra ,there was an incident last year where a member was disqualified for club and fed positions due to this i wont comment any more as not sure if its resolved but basic story was as birds hit the landing board they where clocked and this was a no no even tho the pads where inside his trap

If the bird was clocked when it hit the landing board them the pad must of been underneath the landing board so he was breaking the second part of the rule.

 

[DOVEScot]

cant seam to put photo on .

 

Sent you a pm on how to put pics on

[PIGEON_MAN]

Under WHPU rules a bird must not be able to leave after timing

 

Differant from the RPRA ruling then.

[THE PRIEST]

19.Sensor pads/antennae must be placed inside the loft or trapping area (not under any

external landing board) in such a way that when the loft is closed, no electronic chip ring

may be recorded by the Electronic Timing system installed.

 

This is from the NEHU website under ETS rules.

[billt]

 

Differant from the RPRA ruling then.

 

Yeh I think it's a bit more sensible at least everyone knows where they are

[PIGEON_MAN]

19.Sensor pads/antennae must be placed inside the loft or trapping area (not under any

external landing board) in such a way that when the loft is closed, no electronic chip ring

may be recorded by the Electronic Timing system installed.

 

This is from the NEHU website under ETS rules.

 

Would it matter if the bird flew out of the trap after it had been clocked or does the bird have to been confined to the loft after it is clocked.

[alex wight]

When the hell is there going to be defined rules for the ets ect issued. We go around in bloody circles when it comes to ets systems and the correct way to time in. The simple way that i see it is, imagine you have a finish line at your loft. The pigeon has to cross that finish line, irrelevant if it can get back out into the open or not. The finish line is defined as the confines of your loft, this doesnt mean that its trapped and unable to go back out or not. Pads placed directly under landing boards are illegal. Pads inside sputnicks where the pigeon jumps down onto, or walks onto the pad is legal. Stall traps where the pigeon walks through or drops down in the tunnel are legal. Open doors with pad inside the loft are legal. Just hope the unions can come together and make defined rules regarding these systems, or we will still be going around in circles in many years to come. phew........... thats better  ;D ;D ;D hope this helps a little alex.

[PIGEON_MAN]

When the hell is there going to be defined rules for the ets ect issued. We go around in bloody circles when it comes to ets systems and the correct way to time in. The simple way that i see it is, imagine you have a finish line at your loft. The pigeon has to cross that finish line, irrelevant if it can get back out into the open or not. The finish line is defined as the confines of your loft, this doesnt mean that its trapped and unable to go back out or not. Pads placed directly under landing boards are illegal. Pads inside sputnicks where the pigeon jumps down onto, or walks onto the pad is legal. Stall traps where the pigeon walks through or drops down in the tunnel are legal. Open doors with pad inside the loft are legal. Just hope the unions can come together and make defined rules regarding these systems, or we will still be going around in circles in many years to come. phew........... thats better  ;D ;D ;D hope this helps a little alex.

 

Looks like all the  Unions have different rules.