Duplicating Races Fed/Snfc

[alex wight]

Does duplicating races with the snfc work, in your opinion?

 

As a member of Fife fed we duplicate, and in my opinion, its disastrous.

 

We race out to Leicester on our own, then with the snfc.

 

Since we have started doing this we as a fed has seen some horrendous loses.... is the duplicating the problem? or is just coincidence?

 

I feel that we as a federation need to stand on our own 2 feet and do whatever is possible to achieve this. IF we were to get the support of All members at sales and the presentation night, we might be able to achieve it.

 

However it is clearly apparent that finances are a problem, i wont even go there. I am personally doing some research into how we can have our own dedicated race programme along side the national one.

 

I think its great to be waiting on pigeons from 2 different race points.

 

Having 2 feds if Fife is madness just like the snfc and snrpc, and we should be looking at helping each other not linching each other, for the better of the support.

 

These are only my opinions what are yours?

 

Regards alex.

[THE FIFER]

in my view,i believe in horses for courses, and national races are different from fed races, national races are for birds from all over the country, and many breaking points, fed races birds are all coming home to the same area, its a different thing birds racing in nationals and birds racing in federations, I dont thing the 2 should be linked together,

[dal2]

in my view,i believe in horses for courses, and national races are different from fed races, national races are for birds from all over the country, and many breaking points, fed races birds are all coming home to the same area, its a different thing birds racing in nationals and birds racing in federations, I dont thing the 2 should be linked together,

Federation finances dictate different. Thats the pointy end of the prob. When my fed purchased a transporter from a levied fund we the members were told we could go tae the coast without a lift. Never happened in the last few years so if its not viable for a smallish fed like us in a smallish wagon then there will be a lot others that struggle

[frank-123]

there has been big problems at marking but all in all i think it still helps the small team fancier getting two bites at the cherry

almond valley fed went on there own to maidstone i think that was a poor race returns wise there is no guarantee going with your own fed in a smaller convoy will reduce losses

 

i would vote for my own fed lanarkshire to stay the same with the snfc and duplicate as long as we sorted out our marking station problems

 

but if my fed voted to go alone i would except the decision because i see frustration with many members who would prefer to go alone

i reckon it could be very tight vote

[Guest bigda]

the lanarkshire will be going down the middle to west side of the country next year, so dont see there much chance of duplication races, unless the Nat changes its route failing that to happen the fed will split up

[Guest WINGS 04]

the lanarkshire will be going down the middle to west side of the country next year, so dont see there much chance of duplication races, unless the Nat changes its route failing that to happen the fed will split up

 

 

Danny how can you say that we will be going down the middel when we no that thee will be no vote on it as it was past that we race from the east for 3 years then we would see if the members would like to change

[Guest bigda]

there was a lot of talk then, but the members feel there is a change coming as every one and there dog is in the east

its time to move rab, before there is a run on the fed, there has not been any

better racing and if anything more clashing

as the doos are getting back later telling me they are getting caught up in something, a lot of birds are now getting reported in wales, Ireland rab they have been saying we will get a new transporter for 10 years

[JohnQuinn]

I LOVE duplication races :lol: :lol: :lol:

[andy]

I LOVE duplication races :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:

[JohnQuinn]

there was a lot of talk then, but the members feel there is a change coming as every one and there dog is in the east

its time to move rab, before there is a run on the fed, there has not been any

better racing and if anything more clashing

as the doos are getting back later telling me they are getting caught up in something, a lot of birds are now getting reported in wales, Ireland rab they have been saying we will get a new transporter for 10 years

 

Are you sure your doos can TALK Danny?? I've been in the game all ma days and i've never had a doo turn up late and tell me where its been :D :D

[frank-123]

I LOVE duplication races :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

i just wonder if both the lanarkshire fed and snfc had separate races this year who would you have sent with john?

[JohnQuinn]

Difficult question, but i would say that she would have gone with the fed, even after Saturday i'm still left with the ambition to top the Fed from the Channel race, cos wee Matts doo topped it. I regard winning the Section in National as far more difficult a challenge for the doo, so i would have sent her to what i THOUGHT was the easier challenge, the Fed!

[frank-123]

Difficult question, but i would say that she would have gone with the fed, even after Saturday i'm still left with the ambition to top the Fed from the Channel race, cos wee Matts doo topped it. I regard winning the Section in National as far more difficult a challenge for the doo, so i would have sent her to what i THOUGHT was the easier challenge, the Fed!

 

taking nothing away from wee matt his birds performance was truly outstanding but your performance will be remembered longer john

and to all the boys who want to go alone think

Austin Whitaker the ypres national winner might have went to his fed race as well and me stuck over here in the west most probably would have forgot already

there is a magic about getting on that snfc result and for many that would be taken away chasing a poor second race supporting your fed

 

in my opinion

[WHITTY]

i would have to agree m8 to win the national is every bodies dream to win the fed is great but to me there is no comprison winning the national is magic

[wullie semple]

yes frank like you i am happy to keep going with the s n f c

[JohnQuinn]

Fair point Frank, but i gave an honest answer to the question. SNFC is far more difficult racing than Federation racing, and no being an in with the bricks National diploma winner, i would have sent her with the Fed. I've no many old birds about me the now either, and i would fancy just about any of ma doos to RETURN from the Fed channel race and be with me for next season, though i understand perfectly well that they go down in the Fed races too, but not in the same percentage as national races. Well no in my loft anyway, others may feel/think differently and i respect their thinking on it.

[frank-123]

Fair point Frank, but i gave an honest answer to the question. SNFC is far more difficult racing than Federation racing, and no being an in with the bricks National diploma winner, i would have sent her with the Fed. I've no many old birds about me the now either, and i would fancy just about any of ma doos to RETURN from the Fed channel race and be with me for next season, though i understand perfectly well that they go down in the Fed races too, but not in the same percentage as national races. Well no in my loft anyway, others may feel/think differently and i respect their thinking on it.

 

All about opinions and thanks for your honest answer John and Austin

no matter how our fed votes i will go along with it but i hope they stay with the duplication

[Guest bigda]

Are you sure your doos can TALK Danny?? I've been in the game all ma days and i've never had a doo turn up late and tell me where its been :D :D

its not from me john, i have only the feds best interest at heart, but not listening to the masses is a dangerous thing, and should the national come between the fed there will be only one winner,as will the east route, as there a few of the belief things will not change.

the day of the tail wagging the dog is over

in the fed, you all might accept it in the national that i cant help you with. at £3 pound a doo the fed can go it alone so to say they cant is bollocks as the earlier races have supported the fed to do so

[alex wight]

Mixed opinions.

 

Shouldn't we remember that without our fed's, then there wouldn't possibly be nationals. As the fed programme is ideal for training our birds. I feel there should be a choice when it comes to racing, and not forced. You would still have the choice to go to fed or national, and that's when you select your national birds to your fed ones. Its totally different racing when with the national, and it takes really good birds to be successful. So why should we punish our less experienced pigeons, by putting them into the harder of the races.

 

Thats why we need a good independent fed programme, for good preperation when the step up to the next level, and compete with the creme de la creme.

 

Why has there been a huge shift towards nationals? surely a win at fed level is worth winning after all thats our bread and butter. Or is it a case of when duplicated, there are more prizes and trophies ect. In my opinion, if you win a national you have done the best there is in our country, if you win a fed race, you have won the best in your fed. I aim to win the fed first, and if i feel i have pigeons good enough to tackle the best in the country, then thats my next target. Duplicating i feel doesnt best prepare our birds, and in a way petrifies them, being forced into something they are not prepared for.

 

Again these are only my opinions, regards alex.

[bullcock]

Back to the original question, and Yes I think more birds are lost in the Inland National races,If individuale Feds were at Bovingdon the returns would be far higher but altoghether in the National has always produced higher losses.

The theory should be that the more birds heading north from the furthest distances the better, but from different areas this has been proved every year to produce very poor returns.

 

Feds are relying on the Nationals due to Finanial issues, but it's a false ecomomy due to the loss of birds for the future, this doesnt help the Feds or the Nationals ( or the Fanciers)

 

Take our Fed as an example, if I don't send my birds to the Inland Nationals then my last Fed race would be 260 miles on the last week in May, and my yearlings and 2 year olds would never see 300 miles until 3 years old.

 

I would have been racing old birds form mid March in winter conditions and be finished by the end of May and have no racing for the whole of June into july waiting on the young bird program to start.

 

In short the Fed us and our birds are racing in the winter and doing nothing all summer in the warmer weather! This is crazy I want to be waiting on birds homing in a hot sunny morning with the birds singing and the flowers blossoming, not looking out the window with a rain coat and a wooly hat on waiting on birds in the pi@@ing rain freezing.

 

SUMMARY

 

We start racing far too early.

 

We go out too far too fast, leaving no accomidation for birds missing a race having to jump into the following race.

 

Feds need to go to the 250 - 350 mile races together (such as west region feds all going together)

 

We need to coordinate liberations better to avoid clashing, if all the East Feds Married up and Followed the same Program they could Liberate together and the same for the west, this would mean fewer liberations making it very easy to comunicate and coordinate avoiding clashing.

[WHITTY]

i would have to disagree with you alex as you well no that clubs and feds are nearly all older members probably on pensions to ask them to cof up £3/00 per bird to have a fed race in this day of hard times is in my opinion

not viable then pay out the same for a national race as there are very few young people interested in this sport

any more i lost 16 birds at eastbourne but i dont blame it on national raceing there are many other eliments involved ju7st my oppinion old pentioner

[alex wight]

Austin you have your wires crossed ya awld goat,lol it wasnt me that mentioned £3.00.

 

as i said i am looking into different options that dont see hikes in prices ect as i am well aware of the feds finances and capabilities. To keep the fed healthy we need to look at all avenues and do the best for our members. They tell me your minted anyway so you can pay for me as well, lol. On a serious not though, its nice to hear sensible discussions about a very important topic. Heres hoping (and i,m sure we will) that we achieve a happy balance for the future of our fed and national.

 

Regards alex.

 

Ps well done and a huge congratulations on achieving the dream, really chuffed for you, just dont put the prices up lol

[blaz]

i think duplicating birds in to nationals is a good idea .especially for flayers like myself with a small team.this year the fed i am in midlothian did not go with s.n.f.c. they went on their own .last 2 races with the almond Vally fed.last race maidstone liberated on a Friday 15 birds home on day hundreds lost total disaster. if we went with national i don,t think they would have lost so meny birds .i would send to nationals rather than fed evry time.as for pensioners having to pay £3 per bird if your fed doubles up with nationals the cost to send in the fed i am in is only a £1 inland or £2 to go with the national inland .

[alex wight]

i think duplicating birds in to nationals is a good idea .especially for flayers like myself with a small team.this year the fed i am in midlothian did not go with s.n.f.c. they went on their own .last 2 races with the almond Vally fed.last race maidstone liberated on a Friday 15 birds home on day hundreds lost total disaster. if we went with national i don,t think they would have lost so meny birds .i would send to nationals rather than fed evry time.as for pensioners having to pay £3 per bird if your fed doubles up with nationals the cost to send in the fed i am in is only a £1 inland or £2 to go with the national inland .

 

 

Thats right Gary, the only way to go is to join feds in the same area, to keep the birdage healthy for the distance, as when the numbers come down, it makes it even more difficult than a national.

Another good opinion though,

regards alex.

[WHITTY]

i am sorry alex i just ment thats what it would cost£3/00 each member to have there on fed race and as you no

they greet if they had to pay 1p per bird thanks anyway for the con grats