VACCINATION AGAINST A1

[THE FIFER]

HAVE U READ THE LATEST NEWS UPDATE, FROM PETER BRYANT THE PART REGARDING VACCINATION, FOR COMMERCIAL OUTLETS IE: POULTRY FARMS ETC IT'S £2 A SHOT  AND FOR SMALL BACKYARD BREEDERS (PIGEON FANCIERS) THE COST IS £20 A SHOT AND THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY A VET, AND WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A RING REGISTRATION, THANK GO PETER BRYANT TOLD THEM THIS WAS NONESENSE, AS U COULD NOT EXPECT PIGEON FANCIERS AND SMALL POULTRY KEEPERS TO PAY THIS, ANYWAY READ THE NEWS UPDATE ON P/BASICS AND GET THE RIGHT REPORT.

[paul l]

is this a joke or true

[THE FIFER]

READ THE LATEST NEWS UPDATE ON PIGEON BASICS, ITS TRUE AS I GOT MY NEWS UPDATE FROM PETER BRYANT, THIS IS WHAT DEFRA ARE SUGGESTING, ITS NOT PUT OUT YET.

[Roland]

They isn't a vaccine. will be 5 years down the line, IF feasible and profitable.

If one is looking at the Vacine that eorge Bush is selling that is the 1992 stuff that makes it dormant for a few weeks only. and him and hi Hoppo Rmble Stltskin have already sold 200,000,00 doses. aNo wonder they sold their Oil shares!

[Guest]

Vaccine guarantees nothing. Carry several stings-in-the-tail.

 

 

(1)

 

The Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act…(places) a duty of care on pet owners (and) would allow action to be taken to protect animals before suffering occurs….outlaws animals as prizes….safeguards the welfare of domestic, pet and captive animals…includes measures to reduce the risk of disease outbreaks and enhance the Scottish Executive’s ability to respond where they emerge….

 

 

“SCHEDULE 3A

(introduced by section 32E)

 

POWER OF SLAUGHTER FOR PREVENTING SPREAD OF DISEASE: SCOTLAND

 

Exercise of powers of slaughter

 

7 The Scottish Ministers may, in relation to a disease, exercise a power of slaughter conferred by paragraphs 1 to 6 whether or not the animals, birds or amphibians concerned—

 

(a) are affected with the disease or suspected of being affected with the disease;

 

( are or have been in contact with animals, birds or amphibians affected

with the disease;

 

© have been in any way exposed to the disease; or

 

(d) have been treated with serum or vaccine (or both) against the disease.

 

 

 

 

 

(2)

 

An AI Vaccine was administered in Russia during 2006, the birds still contracted AI after being vaccinated.

 

 

 

Think this an absolute sham. Vaccinating birds that are resistant to the disease in the first place. Snake oil next?

[Guest]

How will vaccinating the birds help stop them carrying infective material home? Remember that this is the 'reason' DEFRA won't allow us to race from France just now. Even although France has no AI-infected farms, and therefore nowhere for the pigeons to pick up this 'infective' material.

 

 

An absolute sham.

[westburylofts]

 

ITS ABOUT TIME ALL THE UNIONS GOT TOGETHER AND LET DEFRA

KNOW THE FACTS  AS THERE ARE MORE FACTS THAT SAY THEY

ARE WRONG THAN SAY THEY ARE RIGHT,  

WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT GETTING A LEAGAL TEAM TOGETHER

TO CHALLANGE THEM.

 

 

RAY

[Guest Paulo]

its all a big scare really governments and the press seem to love using fear to affect peoples life's for the worst. If you worried about all the bad things in this world, terrorism, bird flu, global warming etc you would never get anything done.

 

If the worst comes to the worst and bird flu did mutate into a virus that affects humans like the spanish flu then it would take ages to come up with a vaccine anyway. If your going to die your going to die.

 

I might buy shares in tamiflu lol

 

20 quid a pop lol if the threat was that high I'm sure they'd be churning it out for cheaper than that. The governments track record on managing foot and mouth fills me with confidence in our dear leaders ability to manage a serious outbreak of avian flu.

[Roland]

Quote:

The Good News is the German FLI (Government Institute) has developed an effective Vaccine against H5N1 that can easily be differentiated on testing from an actual infection with the disease, this was done by getting it to 'Piggy-back' on a non-infective (altered)Newcastle Disease virus, this also means the Vaccine could be used on other animals besides Poultry.

This results in a 'Double use Vaccine' = NC and H5N1

The Bad News is, they reckon it will not be 'available' for about 5 years

Previous Vaccines used the Herpes Virus as a 'carrier', could only be used on Poultry, were labor inefficient to administer and could not be distinguished from the illness on testing.

Over the next Year 'Field Trails' will be carried out to fully investigate the range of Species it will give

protection too.

 

Original article:

FLI testet erfolgreich zweiten Markerimpfstoff gegen Geflügelpest

Insel Riems, 26. Mai 2006. Zum Schutz von Nutzgeflügel gegen Geflügelpest stehen derzeit nur Impfstoffe zur Verfügung, die keine sichere Unterscheidung von geimpften und infizierten Tieren erlauben. Das Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut (FLI) stellte nun den zweiten Prototyp eines Markerimpfstoffes gegen die Geflügelpest vor, der solch eine Unterscheidung ermöglicht. Die Ergebnisse wurden kürzlich in einer hochrangigen internationalen Fachzeitschrift der amerikanischen Akademie der Wissenschaften publiziert. Bei der Entwicklung des neuen Impfstoffes setzten die Riemser Wissenschaftler eine ungefährliche Impfvariante des Newcastle Disease Virus als Träger ein. Dieser wurde das Hämagglutinin-Gen eines Geflügelpestvirus eingesetzt. „Unser Prototyp zeigte in ersten Versuchen einen sehr guten Schutz von Hühnern gegen beide Krankheiten und ermöglicht über das Trägerviruskonzept eine leichte Unterscheidung von geimpften und Influenzavirus-infizierten Tieren,“ berichtet der Präsident des FLI, Prof. Thomas Mettenleiter. Bereits im nächsten Jahr sollen Feldversuche folgen, um die praktische Anwendung an größeren Tierzahlen zu testen.

 

In other words... although pigeons do not get it now, they soon will because of help from science. Because we are forced to vaccinate for PMV. … NO!

 

What it may mean is that poultry farmers in your neighborhood will vaccinate their poultry against Newcastle disease and AI. This poultry will therefore not come down with AI and no "official" will show up at your door with a court order demanding the destruction of your pigeons.

[Guest]

Posted on main Avian Flu board that the EU did a U-turn this year changing from 'no vaccination' to a 'vaccinate and live' policy after being lobbied to do so by Holland & France. Both these countries have vaccinated against AI, Holland around 1.75 million 'hobby' poultry, and France free-range stock.

 

The point of my post on the slaughter provisions contained in the Act was that it didn't matter whether the birds had been vaccinated or not, or even if they had never been in contact with other infected animals, the Act gives Ministers the power to slaughter them to prevent the spread of disease.

 

And note the word 'disease', not just Avian Flu, the subject we were discussing, but ANY disease, including for example Paramyxo, which of course affects pigeons AND poultry, and its poultry the Government want protected, NOT pigeons.

 

DEFRA have still not changed their 'no AI vaccination' stance, not even for a 'vaccinate and kill' policy, and as I posted earlier, makes sod-all-difference to racing (or not) from France. If DEFRA still think pigeons might carry infective material in on their feet, then doesn't make a blind bit of difference whether the feet belong to an AI- vaccinated or non AI-vaccinated pigeon.

 

Thought it a sham before, now believe its a scam to get us to part with more money. Also think the fact that DEFRA don't seem to know that racing pigeons carry rings registered to their owners shows how little they know about them.

[GROVEHOMER]

If there's money to be made what does it matter if vaccinating against A1 is effective or not? We all saw what a big part the media played in fuelling the publics worse fears during the winter and spring. At the moment I think this government would do whatever it had to, to appease a misinformed public....thats not good news, unless you have shares in one of the benifitting pharmaceutical companies! >

[Guest]

Indeed Grovehomer, there was massive publicity here last year about stocking up on Tamiflu in case AI struck and who is one of the main stockholders of the Company who produces Tamiflu

 

DONALD RUMSFELD

[GROVEHOMER]

   Well, I didn't know that! It just goes to show what we're up against.

         If pigeon racing was as big as footie (soccer, for your benifit Hyacinth  ;D)  I  think these people would take us more seriously because we'd have more financial clought!

[Guest]

Grovehomer,

 

I know what footie is and I am a big Fan of Blackburn Rovers. Can't stand the American version, a oad of Jessies poncing about in lycra tights and shoulder pads lol

[sapper756]

In the BHW it states that this vacination will be voluntary and not compulsary. I for one will not be using this vacine.   "DON,T PANICK Mr MANNERING"

[GROVEHOMER]

Hyacinth, Blackburns' keeper Brad Fredel (think thats the correct spelling) saved 2 penalties plus made some more good saves to earn them a point at Sheff Utd this afternoon.

[Guest]

COME ON YOU BLUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Roland]

Hyacinth I call him Rumble stilt skin... a sleeping money making menace. him and George Bush have the rights and a vast % ownership of Tamiflu so of course Blair will be pushing for it. Did nothing 1992 and same now! Lays dormant for a few weeks tops. Canada saw through and told them to sling the hook apparently.

And the Canadian pigeon folks did put forward a case which they won! when the Goverment threatened to restrict racing. Likewise lobbyed their goverment over and WON against Australian export / Imports which can now go ahead. But us Brits gnarl the gnashers  and seeth... whilst debating whether sit on their hands or stick them up their arses. and as always settled somewhere in the middle. twiddling thumbs.

[jimmy white]

wonder what the score would be if you bred budgies or canaries as their kept in, so what about the pigeons that are kept ,in but i did see it was optional, but could that just be an excuse in case it was made a "must " at some time ,it seems a lot of money

[Guest]

wonder what the score would be if you bred budgies or canaries as their kept in, so what about the pigeons that are kept ,in but i did see it was optional, but could that just be an excuse in case it was made a "must " at some time ,it seems a lot of money

 

It IS a lot of money Jimmy, £20 per pigeon. If this insanity is allowed to take root some of the 200 youngsters-a-year mob could be forking out £4000 per year, and thats just for young birds, just for AI vaccine!!!