ETS

[Guest]

the lottery grants are not open to all as my club has found out.

we applied for just over £2,000 .we didnt get it (twice turned down).in wales  believe it or not ,the lottery grants(awards for all) did not apply to us in wales.

but only since the end of last yr they have given grants to those in the coal minning area,s .

but us who are not in them area,s have to go without!.....where is the fairness in that?

so our club (if we are to buy the ets) will have to dig deep or do without.

[swilcox]

Its not about lottery grants, ETS or anything else, its about the future of our sport. the sport we all love may i add.

 

In Holland, Belguim and America they us the ETS system without a proplem. The sport in this country has to move forward so that we can unite for whats going to be a tough future and whether we like it or not progress is progress and it will not be long before other technoligies come along, are we going to dismiss those as well whilst the rest of world imprace them.

 

Stuart Wilcox

[rlez]

whats the overallcost to have this system.how does it work.what about allotment flyers

les

[DECKY]

The unikon system is about £520.Thats everything you need An extra sensor pad is about £90 needed only if you were flying to more than one loft. Allotment flyers dont need electricity as the system can run off a 12 volt battery

[Henrik]

Wonder if Chris remembers these posts.

ETS doesn't appeal to us one bit and we will not be bothering with the

thing. It has caused so much uproar and has spread like a plague throughout

the Scottish fancy.

 

As Mike rightly says, what is the point in wanting to know the time when a

late one strolled home, it is late...... also rans are of no interest to

us!!!

 

l have heard of an instance at a clock opening night of a nom bird not being

timed in after all the clocks were opened  , the chap with ETS sneaks home

to find his nom bird in the loft, he put his box of tricks in a station and

hey presto he is off to his club house again to claim the dollars...... is

this fair !!!!

 

l have heard a million times of the so called benefits of ETS. One that

makes me laugh is " you get a chance to see your birds come home" well what

the does that mean   , l use a T3 and we aint missed a bird yet

 

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[swilcox]

Henrik nothing you have said has any credence in this debate! They are all none factual and i could tell you 200 or more stories how seals have fell off clocks, putting them in the oven but they mean nothing!! I once got in trouble because i timed two birds on the same secound with a T3 but they are still used.

 

The real debate is,

 

1)Would ets benifit the sport.

2)Will it give an advantage.

3)Would a handicap system work to allow traditional clocks to be used on a level playing field.

 

Its the constructive answering of these points that will allow a sensible debate.

 

I look at somebody like Peter Wilcox the well known BBC conveyer (no relation) who cant handle a pigeon because he suffered from a illness as a child, do you ever consider those pepole henrik?

 

Stuart

[Chris Little]

Wonder if Chris remembers these posts.

 

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Of course I do , so what ?

[AlanWilkins]

Ok ive not took alot of notice with this ETS stuff but might be a daft question if you fly to a open door how does it pick the bird up n how do you know if its been missed?????

[Guest WINGS 04]

THE CLOCK MAKES ANOISE

[Guest WINGS 04]

WHEN THE BIRD GOES OVERE THE SENSER PAD

[Guest]

Henrik

 

It is not possible to go home and re-time in birds after the clock has been knocked off at the club.

 

any birds timed in after the knock off will come up as Trainers.

[sj irving jnr]

hey if anyone wants it let them have it im not bothered,might have it myself one day but im in no rush to get it.

[Henrik]

Hyacinth tell that to Chris as it was his posts I was quoting. Alan as for open doors you would have to catch the bird and pass it over the sensor if you have open doors,Andy does it this way.

[Chris Little]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[AlanWilkins]

so you buy it, trap um, catch um n put um over it ya self   or buy it convert your loft buy traps teach the birds to go through then n loose time waiting to get them to go through it on a Saturday.  :-/

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Henrik nothing you have said has any credence in this debate! They are all none factual and i could tell you 200 or more stories how seals have fell off clocks, putting them in the oven but they mean nothing!! I once got in trouble because i timed two birds on the same secound with a T3 but they are still used.

 

The real debate is,

 

1)Would ets benifit the sport.

2)Will it give an advantage.

3)Would a handicap system work to allow traditional clocks to be used on a level playing field.

 

 

 

Its the constructive answering of these points that will allow a sensible debate.

 

I look at somebody like Peter Wilcox the well known BBC conveyer (no relation) who cant handle a pigeon because he suffered from a illness as a child, do you ever consider those pepole henrik?

 

Stuart

 

Hello Stuart

 

Good points you make but my answers would be -

(1) Although the mob flyer would benefit the most the Old and the Disabled would not waste as much time as they would catching there pigeons or having to reley on someone catching them for them.

(2) & (3) for me it has to be the same answer that is NO you cannot work a handicap system against the traditional clock.

For a man to run in and catch his pigeon and then put the rubber in the clock is approx 15 to 30 secs.

For a man to pull the rubber of his pigeons leg in a stall trap and time the rubber into the clock is 6 to 10 secs.

Surely the system is just a more up to date system of timing pigeons of the stall trap.

 

[johnny11]

hi lads

 

the way i see it pigeon racing has never been fair... full stop. Is having a partnership to time pigeons in not an unfair advantage over the single fancier.... of course it is

 

Is it not unfair that the man or woman with the most money can buy the best birds

 

Is it not unfair that the retired or unemployed can hang on when it comes to training where the working man if he cannot leave for training at 7-00am then the birds dont go.

 

I personally feel it should be down to choice and lets move with the times. I agree something must be in place to try and help the lesser financially fortunate fanciers to be able to afford it.

 

everything moves on so why not pigeon racing. In this time of trying to get fanciers to help out at marking nights surely ETS would only make this process quicker and easier. Our Scottish fanciers on here has having ETS made a difference to your marking nights?

 

John

[T_T]

I thought this was known as the working mans sport !!!!   This is whats keping the new recruits form our ranks.  It's all about money ( or the lack of it )  With the cost also of the rings, I can imagine a few tears shed on losing thirty young un's on a flyaway or racing.

As I've said before, I am a member of the "no" brigade but if it is voted in, I shall have it purely because of being forced into it or losing valuable seconds when clocking and it would be unfair to my pigeon to lose the race through the system.  I still remain adamant in voting against it but shall "go with the flow" as they say.

[johnny11]

TT

it would be interesting for the RPRA to run a referendum to see just how many of the fanciers we would lose if it came in. i see your point on the rings but maybe it will make fanciers be more selective and keep fewer birds, and who knows this may mean fewer losses

[T_T]

Fair comment Johnny 11,

                                     As an additive to my last mail and BEFORE anybody jumps on my, back I'm sure genuinely disabled fanciers have been at a disadvantage for years and YES !! they should have the system.  

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