Attack on Mr Staddon in BHW

[swilcox]

Reading the letters this week i noticed Mick McGrevy (commitee member NFC) wrote a letter basically telling John Staddon to shut up.

 

I for one thought this was in very bad taste and in my mind as a member John Staddon has the right to express his view (providing they are factual) and really Mick was saying shut up John its nothing to do with you.

 

The Staddon Brothers have done alot for the sport and alot for the NFC and have certainly supported the races over many years and i dont think they should be made to feel by a commitee member that they cant express there view.

 

Lots of people at the Europa Classic were of the same opinion, it was in bad taste and most were of the opinion John was only saying what all have been wanting say. The NFC seem to be moving more and more away from its members.

 

Stuart Wilcox

[NANCYVIEWLOFTS]

personally i dont think the n f c should air their washing in public

[gangster]

i agree with both posts airing dirty washing in publics gonna divide n split the club up if it continues...mick

[jimmy_bulger]

hi stewart.

i agree with what your sentiment's are but he was attacked in the B, H, W. and not in pigeon basics.

he has the right to answer his attackers in the letter's page of the B H, W. and he has the right to answer his detracters.

its a sorry state that in this year of the bird flue etc,etc that the rank and file members of the n.f.c should fall out a wee bit over something and nothing as if all goes to plan next year it will "hopefully be buiseness as usual" .

yours in the sport .

jimmy

[Guest]

I agree ... criticism (so long as it's fair comment and backed up by fact and/or statistics) should always be allowed and the NFC should open its ears and learn from what members are saying. John Staddon is one of very few members (myself included) prepared to put their head on the block to expose what is going on in the NFC and rank-and-file members do support those who stand up for them. Mick's shot himself right in the foot by getting personal with John rather than answering the issues raised.

[swilcox]

Agree 100% Lovedeanlad, To me when your voted onto a committee your there to listen to the members not shut them up, it touches on arrogence to say the least.

 

Stuart

[Guest]

Rose ... no need to be defensive ... Mick's gone right out on a limb and Stuart's exposing the fact. Unlike many of the committee Mick at least has the balls not to remain complete anonymous to the membership.

[mickmcgrevy]

Hi all,  I have only just seen this topic, I seem to have upset most of you. I will try to answer your points.

 

swilcox,   if you think the reply was in bad taste, then ok, you are entitled to your opinion, as I agree, is John Staddon, but you seem to be saying that I am not.  I wasn't saying it was nothing to do with him, I was saying he should accept the unusal circumstances this year, and get on with it. Something I did say in the reply to the BHW, which, by mistake, was not printed, I did not see any letter from him complaining when the NFC went to Sennon Cove, effecting section D.

 

You say that he is only saying what a lot of members in the Europa classic had been wanting to say, well, I am only saying what a lot of fanciers up here are wanting to say, they think he is a professional moaner, only an opinion.

 

Last but by no means least, the reply to the letter in the BHW was sent as an individual, not as an NFC committee member.

 

If I have something to say, then I will say it, and put my name to it,  i will not hide behind a nickname as some do.

 

As for being arrogant, I certainly am not, I was merely expressing my opinion. Criticism is good but it must be constructive and not distructive, preferably offering a solution and not just saying something is wrong.

 

NANCY

Airing dirty washing in public is not the way forward, but that is exactly what the letter was doing.  There have been other instances, ( birds left in basket,)sort it out in house, not the papers for all to see.

 

Rose,   anytime I see something on this, or any other site, asking a question, then if at all possible I answer it .

 

Jimmy Bulger,   Thanks for your comments, I hope you are right about next year, personnaly i am glad this year is over.

 

All the best

Mick

 

  

[Roland]

I didn't see the letter in the BHW etc. - personally don't care less either - but I'd defend any one’s right to voice their' opinion, whether I agree or not. Bully for you Mick. I for one say great, good on yer.

As to the content I again care not, you spouted what you feel, obviously, to be right and stood up to be counted.

As for professional moaners, the BHW was saturated with wet letters when forced by F & M to go East... And a lot of nonsense and untruth and body blows were aimed and hit home unfairly then. Wished a few had the common decency to have said a few truths in defence and defiance of the spoilt brats that whinged.

Rather Smiley I feel on this occasion you would be better to voice your own opinions - if you have any, than meddling in a verbal punch up between two able bodies, than taking sides... yes take a side and voice an opinion. Many lives were lost and destroyed for the right of Freedom of speech, and whether one agrees with it or not, any and al should defend that right.

Good on yer Mick.

P.s. and Mr Stadden is surely big enough and ugly enough to spout back if he so desires... as he proved when writing in the first place!

[Guest TAMMY_1]

If I have something to say, then I will say it, and put my name to it,  i will not hide behind a nickname as some do

 

THIS IS A PART QUOTE FROM MICK ABOVE AND A PART I FULLY AGREE WITH BECAUSE THIS WAS ALSO A SUBJECT I HAD BROACHED LAST NIGHT WITH A CERTAIN MAN ON THE FORUM KNOWN AS HOMER49 WHO HAD A LOT TO SAY ABOUT ME WHEN I DID'NT KNOW WHO HE WAS AND HAD ABSOLUTELY HAD NOTHING TO SAY AT MY HEARING LAST NIGHT BECAUSE I TOLD HIM WHO HE ACTUALLY WAS, AND WAS A BRAVE MAN BEHIND A MASK BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING I WILL ALLWAYS PUT MY NAME TO IT

[mark]

everone is entitled to a opinion wheather you like it or not we cant all agree on everything.

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

this is bad on the sport

[Guest]

I actually think anonymity is fine as far as the pen-name and avatars go on this website ... I think it can facilitate free speech and vibrant debate ...

BUT

if this anonymity is used to make personal comments and attacks then it should be removed ... so I agree with Tam in this regard. When I find out how to change my 'name' on here I will but rest assured I will never make a hurtful personal from behind a veil.

[swilcox]

Mick

 

The reason i didnt like the letter was, to me it was saying "we are doing our best so shut up" and as you are a commitee member and you do represent the National Flying Club in an offical way then its fair to assume you were talking as a committee member!!! But i except your point on that matter.

 

Whatever you think Mick the National Flying Club is on a downward slop and not a rising one and the vast majority of the Members and for that matter Pigeon Fanciers as a whole in this country think the club are in a mess!!! John is merely pointing that out!

 

However i am aware that its been a difficult season but i dont see the MNFC, BICC etc having members so p****d off!

 

(Qoute)

"You say that he is only saying what a lot of members in the Europa classic had been wanting to say, well, I am only saying what a lot of fanciers up here are wanting to say, they think he is a professional moaner, only an opinion".

 

One of the problems Mick is the NFC members in the southern sections, the sections that have supported the Club year after year believe they are no longer being considered when decisions are made and when you say things like "the guys up here think he is pro moaner" maybe you should think long and hard about your words. John is a very popular guy down here and these things are often taken a different way than they ment!!!

 

No hard feelings

 

Regards

Stuart Wilcox

[Guest ukseanuk]

My own opinion

 

their too many back stabbing in this sport and no wounder the sport is been killed off.

 

[mickmcgrevy]

stewart,

 

the old saying ,you can't please all the people all the time comes to mind. Im sure you will agree, it has been a very difficult year for everyone this year, and your perception that it is only the NFC that has been upseting it's members is shown to be wrong by the last post on this topic. I also think that the BICC members were upset by not having a young bird race, so you see it is not just the NFC.

 

You are right when you say that the NFC appears to be on a downward slope, but membership is dropping in all clubs.

 

This is not helped by a very small percentage a members who are quick to send off letters to the papers, complaining about this or that. Here I am speaking about all nationals and federations. Recently there has been letters complaining of all manor of things ( birds left in crates etc ) which would have been far better kept in house for the officials / committees to sort out, not published for anyone to read, DEFRA?

 

I am not saying that things are anywhere near perfect in the NFC, I am just sugesting that there is better way to get things sorted out, instead of submitting letters, which inevitably stirs up more trouble.

 

I do not agree with everything that has gone on in the NFC over the last few years, but I believe the only way to try to improve things is from the inside, thats why I am still on the committee.

 

Just as a point of interest, sect A one com rep, sec B none, sec C none, each section is allowed 2, which section are you in ?.

 

All the best

 

Mick

[Roland]

Anonymity is fine! The fact that some aren't sure of themselves and what hey say is the problem. Are they a 'Name', 'will I look foolish’? ’But I don’t know who they are’!!!

It is the main reason too why Anonymity' is attacked ... and why many in 'Packs' attack, for moral support and what they are lacking. Their’ main argument of 'They are hiding behind...’ is rubbish, and just a lame excuse to cover their arses.

If the posts are good and worth reading, impart a fair view then fine, if not one has lost nowt, for it is the same as those that use their own names, you may agree,  or disagree. So personally I see it as a good thing for they may not post otherwise for many reasons!

So the 'KNOCKERS' ought to get some courage and either post in good faith and not worry who is reading. There are many named posters on here, and whether they are anonymous or not are fine, for they are here!

Now if it's Fred Boggs name or P. Dordin, who cares, it's what is actually said that matters.

[Roland]

Yes Mick there may well be a better way of sorting it out! Give us a clue.

Knocking for the mere chance to be noticed, or for the hell of it may well be detrimental you ALL clubs and the Sport in general.

So how does one change the attitude, blatant disrespect to its members? How does one go about sorting out the whole shebang of 'Bully for us and tough on them' attitude?

How does one stop an organisation putting up it's birdage by £2 on the day?

How does one go about stopping the crass nonsense of member’s votes being accepted, then held in disregard and change by committees - like the program for instance?

That has happen a hell of a lot in the past too! So how if not to voice it! Never mind about 'Behind Closed doors'... too much of that already, say publically one thing and doing just as they please when the time comes.

So surely Mick ALL committee members should be held accountable to their actions, and shown public ally when they say one thing then vote another, or instigate / help change what the members have / had voted for! It is, besides being disrespectful, called taking the P'!

You, the committee know what the members are moaning about. Never mind about laying blame at the feet of the Avian Flu, that hasn't been the caused of any of the above! Loss of their’ honour and respect! What has that got to do with the 'Avian Flu'? Likewise the mentioned above and much more it has nothing to do with 'Avian Flu', so let's not start making that a crutch to lean on.

Yes it has impeded Channel Racing, not the cause of committee members losing integrity!

[mickmcgrevy]

Roland,

 

I never said it would be easy, if as you say the members on the committee have lost their integrity, then maybe its time for people like yourself to put for the committee and try to change things, I could do with a little backing.

 

So maybe the answer is       change the committee.

 

Mick

[Roland]

Yes I believe that as a fact Mick ... and yes I always - unfortunately sometimes lol - Back my gob. So yes without a moment’s hesitation I'd stand. Right, wrong good or bad I'd be counted though.

I have a friend that is a bit obnoxious to say the least - great natural flyer - and the times he has steer a fed back onto an even keel is well known. NOT LIKED FOR IT ... PERHAPS SECRETLY he is.

So as I have no need of friends, or worry about losing any I'd stand. Because I believe of cure is a bitter pill to swallow, and may well be that it would make one unpopular. And further you can bet your bottom dollar as soon as plain sailing is achieve, creeps would / will get back on the band wagon, where the Corridor politic, and back slapping ego’s and feathering nest would start all over again.

I’d be pushing no stop for starters that a program other than Channel racing to be put up, and held to if voted in. Sennon Cove would be placed back in the Joke box. West Ireland / Boat liberations would have to be put forward as well as a North Rd. But the first and main thing is / would be to HOLD the membership together so that if and when Channel racing is next available the club would be in a position to implement it straight off with MEMBERS!

Secondly I’d push for the whole structure of the ‘Sections’ to be altered. Simply, instead of the diabolical and unjust WIDTH of the sections, I’d ask for the logical LENGTH to be looked at.

West in wind I find it UNBELIEABLE that we were nearly forced to have a 150mile width. It is far too wide even now. I’d like it to be that those of us… and there’s a lot, who fly for Section placing with a wing and a prayer that one day there will be ‘No Wind’ let alone a favourable wind when our birds are in tip top peak condition and can beat the rest in a section to win a National. After all it is those that are supporting those with their shekels. All money’s to be added and divided equally to each section?… Now that would have the professional moaners out. But why should those that have no chance of winning the big one, time after time put money into the coffers of those in better locations?!

The prestige of winning means they can sell their birds ad that is what most go for now. Now the con of sprint racing has well and truly been sussed and most realise they were being used.

Lib points should be over Paris or more westerly! We can’t alter the wind, but adjusting the sails might help a bit. So I guess my offer will will fall on deaf ears when my name goes into the hat lol.

[yearling]

hi all just pointing out that the once mighty N.F.C. seem to be in a bit of a pickle,and although this has been a trying year for all they are also chargeing more for the privalige.

i can only see one outcome if things stay the same! people will vote with there feet.

 

[ribble]

hi all just pointing out that the once mighty N.F.C. seem to be in a bit of a pickle,and although this has been a trying year for all they are also chargeing more for the privalige.

i can only see one outcome if things stay the same! people will vote with there feet.

 

lets hope it's the many members who never send.

[Roland]

Yes there is a thought Ribble... Perhaps it woulsd be wiser to ask why they send! And they still pay the dues, so thats a fair bit of dosh for nowt ... or for just being a member.

Three things at least now to think about without even raising an eyebrow.... Bet they may well be the first to walk ... at great cost!

[Roland]

Ouch, sharp intake of breat h... how so very true... and I meant 'Yes there is a thought Ribble... Perhaps it woulsd be wiser to ask why they  DON'T send! ofcourse.

Now another bone of contention ... Only Hire / Leased this new transport for 7 Years! Now that makes one think Why, to what advantage, and do theythink A. It won't last longer than SEVEN seasons? That it will be cheaper in seven year? Or they will have 3 times as many members (or more) to sprad the cost between.

Inded WHY din't they purchase it!

Also makes me think that seven years down the line I/WE are going to have another hefty bill to pay.... And a darn lot of fewer members.

And one says 'Constuctive ritasimn... and don't knock!

[jack walker]

i was told it is five grand a race five races a year thats why we had a race every other week because we would still have to pay for five races i dont know how true it his but thats what a mate told me