Bull Eyes

[swilcox]

Anyone ever paired too bull eyes together and had good results? I have two birds that were made to be paired together but they both have bull eyes which is the only worry. :-/

 

Stuart

[jimmy white]

yes i have did this, a pair if pieds , not related paired on their own , so i just left them , both were well bred,, the ybs had bull eyes and found that much as the rest they bred some good ones and some not so good ones [one of them did particularly well in a few races]

[Jeremy]

I would pair a Bull eye to a light eye. Not bull to bull. Bull eyes cannot stand bright sun light so much and this is a Fact..

[jimmy white]

there are plenty theories in racing pigeons , but sometimes differant in practise, its like saying white repels the heat and black absorbs the heat [which is fact] therefore on a very hot day you should get a white one,,but do you :)

[Jeremy]

I did not say that a Bull eyed pigeons cannot win on a hot day but i would say a lighter eyed pigeons can cope with strong sunlight. If bull eyed birds were better racers we would have a large percent of Champions with bull eyes. But we dont. This is why birds of prey have very light eyes they can attak whithout being glared by the sun. Fact.

[billy_g]

is it not brains and wings that win races not bull eyes, maybe im wrong

[Dave A]

i bred 2 bull eye together this year an bred one with a violet eye it was a pure white bird it was great on training but lost it on its first race ot went south instead of north ??????? must have clashed

[jimmy white]

i think you could well be right speed, but i think nature has taken care of that with pigeons , giving them three eyelids , the third eyelid is a sun visor and a windscreen washer etc,its a very very thin membrane that really does a big job

[Jeremy]

A bull eye is an Albino eye.Alot of white birds have bull eyes which came from inbreeding to get pure whites along time ago.Alot of bull eyes comes from inbreeding which weakens the eye. If you look into the Oxford dictionary it tells you an Albino eye is a person or animal with no natural colouring in eye. It has no pigment.

[jimmy white]

i see what your saying speedy but albino is differant all together this is a pink eye with no pigment i have seen an albino pigeon bred which had an actual pink eye , this bird never came to anything and was more or less a freak of nature [like me ;D]

[Jeremy]

I Dont expect it would jimmy a pink eyed pigeon would be deaf. Perhaps its 3rd eye was not double glazed. LOL. ;D

[jimmy white]

;D ;D ;D  good lad ;D ;D ;D at least we can laugh [was expecting some one to say bull s,,,,,   ;D ;D]

[Guest]

as long as they have two eyes im not bothered lol,never bothered with eyesign either...my opinion is that if we could tell wot a bird can be by eyesign then y aint everyone got a cot full of winners?.

[Jeremy]

It all should be fun thats why i fly pigeons. I am not an eye man never will be just dont like bull eyed birds. I let Mr basket do the talking and never had a bull win myself. No bull. I got hit by a bull once and that didnt do me any good either.  

[THE FIFER]

MOST WHITES HAVE BULL EYES SO GET PAIRED TOGETHER, DON'T THINK IT MATTERS, THEY CAN SEE JUST AS WELL WITH THEM AS ANY OTHER COLOUR OF EYE,  : : : : :

[ALF]

IF IT WINS WHO CARES WHAT COLOUR IT'S EYE IS??? ;)

[jimmy_bulger]

eye sign a very interresting theory but thats all it is a theory.

jimmy

[THE FIFER]

AGREE JIMMY B, ITS OK FOR SHOWS, USED TO JUDGE A BIT ON IT, BUT NOT FOR A WHILE NOW,

[Guest]

Interesting thread, and no expert on eyesign, I'm more interested in the eye's main function - to better equip the bird for its main job, whether thats hunting, fishing, seeing in the dark etc.

 

I think it is wrong to generalise on colour. Note what you say Speedwings about light coloured hawks eyes, but there are a lot of other things perhaps more important to it than colour.

 

The hawk's eyes are huge compared to the size of the skull and they are on the front of the face and look forward, rather than smaller (but in scale with the size of the skull) and on the side of the pigeon's head.

 

In the hawks eye itself, the pupils are huge and the eyeball isn't round ball-shape, its more cylinder-shape, running 'deep' into the head.

 

And I do think that a bull eye has pigment. Its just that the iris pigment is the same colour ..... and uniformly spread?  Albino involves a lot more than eye pigment, in humans at least, it is a genetic condition which affects more than the eye colour, for example skin and hair pigments, but as you say, it does affect eyesight quality.

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

According to the eye sign theory I have been following (Jack Barkels) I would always treat a bull eye as being a pearl and would therefore pair it with a yellow.  

[Guest TAMMY_1]

IF ALL THE MEN THAT SWEAR BY BIRDS THAT WIN  BY PICKING THEM USING EYESIGN WHY DO THEY KEEP SENDING AS MANY AND WHY DO THEY EVEN KEEP ANY THAT DO NOT MATCH UP TO GOOD EYESIGN THEORIES, IF I COULD PICK A WINNER LOOKING AT IT'S EYES I WOULD ONLY HAVE TO SEND THAT ONE BIRD, THE ONLY CERTAINTY ABOUT EYES IS THE BIRD NEEDS TWO OF THEM TO RACE HOME

[swilcox]

Well im none the wiser!!!! My team of Aardens all have green, bull or golden eyes so im a liittle restricted for choice. May i add that i also pay little attention to eyesign and didnt mention it in my original question!!!

 

I asked Raymond and he said he pays no attention to eyes so i guess they will have to be tried together!!!

 

Stuart

[Jeremy]

I agree Stuart..

[jimmy white]

i agree also stuart and also agree with speed a wee constructive debate is good and  we all pick up bits and bobs , as with pigeons , supposing you were 90 youd still be learning, i suppose that makes it so interesting :)

im not really an eyesign man myself , but even the eyesign experts will tell you that the pigeon must have all the other attributes to go along with it , and my own opinion is that the management has a lot to do with it as well   :)