can u work this out

[ACE LOFTS]

hi can u work this out for me please.

 

what i want to no is what is my avarage.

 

flying time                                                    distance

1.56.38                                                           133-1592

2.06.28                                                           86-0963

3.40.56                                                           151-1270

2.07.51                                                           97-1526

1.52.44                                                           97-1526

2.11.07                                                           116-1526

4.03.06                                                           176-1673

 

 

i make the velocity of 1559 just want to no what u make it.

[Mike Lycett]

Ace

 

Are you adding al your flying time together - thenm adding your distances together & working it from there?

 

"IF" people add 4 velocities together and divide it by 4 (for instance) then that's gonna be incorrect.   If you're doing it the other way then it should be ok

[ACE LOFTS]

hi mike

im a bit thick when it comes to numbers thats y i want a 2nd or 3rd opiniun

[PIGEON_MAN]

HI ACE,JUST RUN THROUGH IT QUICK FOR YA(ALLTHOUGH THAT TOOK  SOME TIME ) I GET IT TO 1405.81.THE CORRECT FORMULAE IS TOTAL TIMES OF ALL RACES DIVIDED INTO TOTAL MILES OF ALL RACES CONCERNED.WILL CHECK ME FIGURES AGAIN BUT MUST GO OUT NOW.

[johnny11]

Guys the way I worked it out was

 

convert the times into seconds then divide by 60 to get the time in minutes (as fractions of minutes). Then add all these together.

 

Convert all the distances into yards and then divide by 60 to get distance in 60ths.

 

then to get an average of all races divide time by distance and should come out as 1405.81

 

john

[Guest]

would this work the same if you worked the time to seconds then divide it by 60 to get it back to minutes and used yards instead of 60th's~?

[DECKY]

1405.811 pigeonman is spot on. I am club sec and worked it out on computer

[johnny11]

Gez

 

I dont think it does it does seem mad but try it and see

 

john

[PIGEON_MAN]

1405.811 pigeonman is spot on. I am club sec and worked it out on computer

 

CHEERS DECKY AM A CLUB SEC ALSO AND ONLY RAN THROUGH IT QUICK BUT AS YOU PROBABLEY KNOW IT,S SO EASY TO MAKE A MISTAKE WHEN ADDING UP FIGURES THATS WHY I USUALLY GOT THROUGH IT 3 OR 4 TIMES JUST TO MAKE SURE.

[PIGEON_MAN]

I STILL HAVE IN MY POSSETION THE RACING PIGEON READY RECKONER THAT COST ONE SHILLING AND SIX PENCE IN 1968 WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 8p NOW,THIS CONVERTS THE HOURS AND MINUTES INTO SECONDS AND THE MILES AND YARDS INTO SIXTIETHS THEN IT,S JUST A CASE OF DIVIDING ONE INTO THE OTHER.

[ACE LOFTS]

thanks lads il take that as gospol of 1405.

 

cheers uv been a great help

[dandydoo]

Good luck ACE ....hope you get your the situation sorted and get Averages trophy

[Roland]

Ace if the velocity is the lower one than you anticipated, would that mean you still was top or not? And if so be nice to know how you plan to proceed ... if indeed at all. Purely from a personly view, as not really any of my buisness.

[ACE LOFTS]

well its about 40 yards short of the average winner.

 

but out of 7 fed races i 5 times in front of him and the other 2 that he was in front of me on 1 of them he was 2 yards in front and the other he was 15 yards in front. i think there is something dodgy going on.

[Jeremy]

Ace

You will have to find out the winners? 7 race results and have them worked out. I cant see why that you are 40 ypm behind when in the 2 race results you are only 17?

They could beat you say if the 5 races were very close on short distances and the other 2 races they are far ahead on the longer races. But you really need there correct distance and flying times to take it any further and object.

Hope this helps.

Jeremy.

[ACE LOFTS]

cheers

[Beanz]

In 1979 with youngsters my brother won 3 x 1sts and I did not win a 1st but on the occasions he beat me the total time was 23 minutes but on the times I beat him the total time was 40 minutes so I won the YB averages so you do need to get his times and distances.

[davebuttle]

I make it should be 1451.24 averaged over the 7 races?

 

Have i calculated something wrong?

[Guest Vic]

Ace,

      It does not matter one iota, how many times who beats who. The  total distance flown is the deciding factor, along of course, whether the velocities in question were high or low. You can in fact be beaten by the same club member EVERY race and still have a better average than him. The total minutes into total yardage will be near enough but not exact. Total seconds into total yardage X 60 is the only EXACT method. Before the computers, a secretary had to have a better all round understanding of figures and had to be above average on basic maths. I had my fair share at the job over the years. Along with my swizzle stick, an old typewriter and an archaic hand pressed duplicator, I could still have the racesheets finished in time for an evening pint at the 45 member club. It's all too easy these days, yet the sheets are not so ready available in most clubs. Strange but True. Vic.

[PIGEON_MAN]

VIC,

     . The total minutes into total yardage will be near enough but not exact. Total seconds into total yardage X 60 is the only EXACT method.

VIC,WEATHER OR NOT THE WAY YOU SAY IN YOUR SECOND LINE GIVES THE SAME ANSWEAR AS THE WAY IN THE FIRST LINE I DONT KNOW, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO WORK OUT AVERAGES AS SET DOWN IN THE R.P.R.A. RULES AND THAT IS HOW I DO IT,TOTAL TIMES AND DISTANCE FLOWN IN ALL THE RACES CONCERNED DIVIDED TO GIVE YARDS PER MINUTE.

[Jeremy]

Vic

Can you tell me like you said that someone can beat you every race but you can still win the average?, Does not make sense? Can you tell me how it works please. :-/

[PIGEON_MAN]

I THINK THAT IS WRONG JEZ,IT JUST WOULDN,T MAKE SENCE THAT IF YOU WON EVERY RACE YOU WOULDN,T WIN THE AVERAGES,MIND I DO STAND TO BE CORRECTED IF SOMEONE CAN PROVE IT TO ME WITH A SET OF FIGURES.

[Jeremy]

Thats right Tony.

You are spot on. There is no way someone can will every race and then can be beaten that would be a farse,

Ace lofts needs all the times and distance on the races then someone can work it out for them to see if there has been a mistake.

[square_peg]

Ace,

       You can in fact be beaten by the same club member EVERY race and still have a better average than him.

 

EH   ??) ??) ??)    EXPLAIN  PLEASE   :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/   IF I WON EVERY RACE THEN I WIN AVERAGE SURELY > > > >

[Guest Vic]

Hi Guys,

            I stick by my original statement,  that someone can be beaten every race by the same member, yet beat him in the averages. Make no bones about it, I am 100% right. A few years back I  simplified how,  by using actual members and measurements and times, of my own club the Croxteth H.S. Where nobody gave no more than a mile overfly out of a 45 member club (at the time). The Amal . secretary at the time was Albert Tarleton, and on hearing about it, he said I was wrong. I gave him a copy of what I had compiled, and he was astounded when he checked it out. In later years he carried a copy around with him, because he was a very popular pigeon moot committee man at the time, opening many free bottles and experienced fanciers eyes,  with the sheer simplicity of it all.

                                     It all hinges on the distances coupled with some low velocities. THE FURTHEST FLYER WILL COME OUT ON TOP, WITHOUT WINNING A RACE. Work it out yourselves, and you will be surprised. Vic.