UNIKON TIMING

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NOT STIRRING OR ARGUEING  BUT, ALL DOOS THAT PASS OVER THE PAD ARE TIMED IN    EVEN IF YOU ARE AWAY TO CLUB WITH MODULE.

 

THE ONLY WAY THAT DOO'S AINT TIMED IN ARE IF THE RACE IS CLOSED IE THE BASE UNIT IS TOLD TO CLOSE THAT PARTICULAR RACE THAT THE LATE DOO HOMES FROM

 

 

THIS INFO WAS TOLD TO MY CLUB AT THE ETS DEMO BY MR DOUGIE BALD UNIKON REP FOR MY AREA   MAYBE A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IN SYSTEMS FOR DIFFERENT AREAS  

[THE FIFER]

i was under the impression that once u took ur clock out to take to the marking station other birds timed in are timed in as trainers,

[HOMER49]

Hi

My information on ETS is that for a 2 day race. Birds you time in on day 1 you can go to your club on day 1 at say 11.30pm and have your day 1 timeings RECORDED this does no close the race for the ETS Take your module back to the loft and time any 2nd day birds

Cheers

Homer 49

[MsPigeon]

Sorry for being dumb Homer49, but why would you want to take your module to the club before knock off has been declared? Why would that be necessary?

Square peg, you and Linda are both correct in your disciptions of what happens when your away with the module and wether or not the race has been closed. It will all make a lot more sense when you actually start useing them. It's really not as complicated as it sounds.

Yours in the sport.

Carol

[PIGEON_MAN]

SEEMS TO BE SOME DIFFERANT ANSWEARS ON THIS POINT CAN SOMEONE SAY FOR CERTAIN WHICH IS CORRECT.

[PIGEON_MAN]

CAROL JUST TO CLEAR UP WHY I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE MY CLOCK TO THE CLUB ON DAY ONE OF THE RACE IS BECAUSE AT THE MOMENT THAT IS THE RULING,SO AM I TO TAKE IT THAT YOU CANT USE ETS FOR A TWO DAY RACE IF YOU HAVE YOUR CLOCK READ OFF ON DAY ONE.AT THE MOMENT WITH ORDINARY CLOCKS THE CLOCK WOULD BE RESET ON DAY ONE IF YOU WANTED TO TIME IN SECOND DAY BIRDS,IS THIS NOT POSSIBLE WITH ETS.

[MsPigeon]

Well Pigeon Man, Like Linda said, if the race has been declared closed and the results done any late birds will clock in as trainers but only for the closed races. You can have different birds on your module entered in other races and if those races have not closed then they will still time in as race returners. And as I said I'm not sure what the purpose of taking your module in before the race closes is, as they are safely saved on your module, even if the power goes out. What ever is on the module will remain there. But thinking about how Unikon works and the steps of knocking off, you could download someones module to the Unikon program on the clubs computer without completing knock off if thats what they want to do.

But talking about power outages, if that is something common in your area you should look into a battery back up system.

Carol

[Guest]

Tony

 

I wouldn't see what point there would be taking the clock to the club on the first day on a two day of a two day race.

[PIGEON_MAN]

Linda,as i have said that is the ruling at the moment weather that would have to change i dont know,but at the moment if you clock in on day one then you have to have your clock read off on that night,then if you want to clock in further birds the next day the clock as to be reset the same night,

[PIGEON_MAN]

How about you guys up there in Scotland surely this as happened up there on the long races someone must know the correct answear.

[Guest]

Pigeon Man I now see what you mean, I think once ET is being used you won't have to take your clock in to the club for re-setting at the end of the first day

[HOMER49]

Hi

The word I used is RECORDED is what it means your pigeon is on the result

But your ETS is NOT opened it can still time pigeons in the race

We have a rule which states that CLOCKS MUST BE IN CLOCKSETTERS HANDS WITHIN 23 HOURS ON 1ST TIMING

So 2 day race     I time at 7pm 1st day dont get it RECORDED my ETS must be in clocksetters hand by 6pm on the 2nd day But clocksetter is not doing the clocks till 10pm 1st bird is out

Once the ETS is OPENED it cannot time any more pigeons in that race

Cheers

Homer 49

[MsPigeon]

I understand now Pigeon Man. Linda is right, maybe they will change that rule after getting ETS. But even if they don't I believe it is possible to download the module info without completeing knock off process. I am curious though, do they use a computer program to figure the race results? What program do they use? We mostly use WinSpeed here in the USA and the info that you download from the Unikon module to your Unikon program on the computer is then imported to the Winspeed program to compute and print  the race results. The Unikon program is basically just a clock reading program. The print outs are basically a clock tape. And I believe that until you print it out from a given race that race is not closed. But you could still download to the computer.

Carol

[Guest]

Carol,

 

I think they have a different proceedure for calling knock off in the UK, when I flew in WA, the long end flyer called knock off when he/she was satisfied they had enough pigeons.

 

We have a different rule in Oregon, knock off is scheduled for 5 pm on one day races and 5 pm the second day, but during the late afternoon the race secretary contacts everyone to make sure there are enought birds home to take all the points, if this is so we knock the clocks off.   If it has been a hard race we then schedulte knock off for Sunday morning, so that birds can be timed until 1/2 hour after sunset on one day races.  On a two day race if there are enough birds home to cover the points we will knock off sunday about noon, but if it's been hard and not many birds home we can still clock until 1/2 hour after sunset on the second day.

 

There are some members however who choose to bring their clocks in before the scheduled knock off (mostly through lack of patience) and if they choose their clocks are knocked off fully and they cannot come back with further timed in birds.

 

I'll admit I refused to take our clock in, during one long old bird race (2 day) as there were very few birds in, all the points hadn't been allocated and there was no way I wanted my clock to be knocked off with about 7 hours of daylight left.Didn't make me popular with the impatient flyers, but that';s their problem not mine

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THERE IS NO RULING IN SCOTLAND THAT SAYS THE CLOCK HAS TO BE READ ON FIRST DAY OF A TWO DAY RACE 8)    BUT IF I HAD A SNFC WINNER IN MY CLOCK  ;DTHEN YOU BETTER BELIEVE I WILL BE FIRST IN AT CLOCK OPENING   :)    

 

BUT IF I GO AWAY FROM THE LOFT WITH THE ONLY DOO IN SCOTLAND(IT HAPPENED THIS YEAR WITH JOCK PROCTOR IN THE SNRPC)  8) 8)AND A DOO DROPS IT WILL BE TIMED IN       JUST A DIFFERENT RULE SET UP HERE IN SCOTLAND COMPARED TO USA  

[MsPigeon]

Your ETS clocks don't "open" persay. The module is like a floppy disk, recording, holding, and storing race and clocking info. It is the program in the clock and computer program that has built in features that won't let birds be clocked in for a race after that race has been closed or "Strike Out" has been performed. There are other built in features, for instance if you have begun entering birds in the race and someone has a bird whose band does not work or a new bird to add, no can do. The program will not let you change or add any birds to someones list after the race entries have begun. And also none of the club features of the clock like entering birds and performing strike outs will work unless the club unit is hooked up to the clock and a special chip key read by the club unit.

[jimmy white]

just to clarify a point which im not sure of myself ,,i,e..s,n.f.c. . rules state in the young bird national "only", birds must be checked same day as you time in , whether the race is still going on or not, ,,,you cannot time in on the day, then control your clock like you can do in ob national races then time in another the following morning,,,,,with yb national if you time in on the day, your clock must be checked on the day, then reset if you want ,,,, i found this out the hard way by timing in a good pigeon in the yb national,on the day,,, but as the race was still going on i controlled my clock[as you would normally have done in the o,b nat.],then waited the following morning for a pooler ,,,,,,my bird was disqualified as i had broke the rule,,and not had my clock checked on the day of timing,,,,,

this seems a very strange rule to me, as , if i had been at the marking station with my time in,,my second pigeon may well have been sitting in the loft

[jimmy white]

THERE IS NO RULING IN SCOTLAND THAT SAYS THE CLOCK HAS TO BE READ ON FIRST DAY OF A TWO DAY RACE 8)    BUT IF I HAD A SNFC WINNER IN MY CLOCK  ;DTHEN YOU BETTER BELIEVE I WILL BE FIRST IN AT CLOCK OPENING   :)    

 

BUT IF I GO AWAY FROM THE LOFT WITH THE ONLY DOO IN SCOTLAND(IT HAPPENED THIS YEAR WITH JOCK PROCTOR IN THE SNRPC)  8) 8)AND A DOO DROPS IT WILL BE TIMED IN       JUST A DIFFERENT RULE SET UP HERE IN SCOTLAND COMPARED TO USA  

 

if you look at yb nat [snfc] sq, p youll find the opposite yb nat,,birds timed in ,,must be checked on the day   [mind you queerest rule ive seen ]mind you i would   be the same as you ;D  ;D at the door first ;D ;D

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THATS ONE OF THE STICKY POINTS      TIMING IN WHEN YOU NOT THERE

 

READ THE POSTS JIMMY  WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2 DAY RACES

 

YB SNFC NAT CLOSES AT 8PM   PLENTY TIME TO GO TO CLOCK STATION

[Guest]

Interesting slant, the two-day race and Unikon strike-off.

 

Don't think we have had this situation in Scotland yet. Our two-day races are mostly clock & double rubbers. Our Fed / Combine has of late set a time for clock reading based on 1st day returns, low = clocks read say 1200 on 2nd day.

 

My understanding is that when the clock details are read, it closes that race. One odd feature is that the clock must be read even if you don't time in, as the race details need to be closed, before the next week's race birds can be entered.

 

The posts about existing clock rules must surely change - I think the posts refer to SNFC Clock rules - may not be the same need to take clocks off  more than once?

[jimmy white]

i see excactly where your comming from sg p but who is going to know its going to be a two day race in the yb nat , if yourstaying out in the wilds its just that all our races close at 400 yds p min,, its a strange one

[jimmy white]

the snfc rules are differant for ob,s and ybs

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NO RULES ARE RULES  ALL MEMBERS GET A RULE BOOK      THE REASON THE YB NAT CLOSES ON 1ST DAY AT 8PM IS ITS DARK AT THAT TIME OF YEAR        

THAT IS ALSO WHY HOURS OF DARKNESS ARE DIFFERENT IN THE CHANNEL RACES

[jimmy white]

i can see what your saying sq, p, but the yb race closses at 400 ypm but the darkness hours are 8 pm. but the race may well go in to the next day, and yes granted plenty time to get yout clock checked,

but i cant see why the differance should be in the ob races , if the race closes at 10 30 still plenty time to get your clock checked [if the clock station was open] but with obs you just need to control your clock and check it the next day , but you cant do that with ybs  :-/ :-/  ;D

[PIGEON_MAN]

Hi Square Peg,i see from your posting that you say that your second bird would be timed in if you had allready gone to the club,but would they be in the result as linda and fifer say that they would only be classed as trainers because all the race data would be wiped from the clock by having the first bird read,i just cant seem to get my head around this one at all. ??)