Yakult Natural Yogurt

[Wiley]

Hi folks,anyone can help me i need to know how i can put this on the pigeon food or in the drinker.Id prefere to mix it on the corn perferably your help will be greatly appreciated.Tony C told me how to do this before and i wrote it down but i have misplaced the booklet,and i was hoping to use this today.Thanks

[Wiley]

any help lads and lasses will be brillant

[Sajfos]

I poor a small pot over about 2 kilo of seed/depurative & feed still wet, but I am looking at the product Primalac which is more appropriate as it is Avian Specific ...

Hope this helps .

 

Steve.

[Guest]

Wilry,

 

Doesn't matter what sort you use just as long as it's live, if I ever buy any it's always what is called "Greek" NEVER mix it in the drinker. If I'm mixing anything with the feed I always to it the night before and let it dry out

[Wiley]

thanks for the info been effective thanks people

[rockinrick]

thanks for the info been effective thanks people

 

ok remind me on the affects it has ?

:-/ :-/ :B :B

[birdman55678]

I have used yogurt before but that was before I new about proboactics, I do not use yogurt since then.  Ed

[ribble]

Wilry,

 

Doesn't matter what sort you use just as long as it's live, if I ever buy any it's always what is called "Greek" NEVER mix it in the drinker. If I'm mixing anything with the feed I always to it the night before and let it dry out

 

would it be still live if left to dry overnight????

[superstar]

 

would it be still live if left to dry overnight????

 

No it is best left to go tacky but not dried out

[Guest]

Any 'Natural' live yoghurt is a probiotic. It contains live 'friendly' gut bacteria which helps exclude and prevent other less friendly stuff [pathogens] from attaching to the gut wall, and stops them going through the gut wall into the blood stream.

 

Hyacinth: Tend to agree with others, drying out will simply kill these bacteria AND gives an ideal medium [milk] for other microbes to grow on.

 

For this reason, I keep it in the fridge, spoon it into a glass dish containing the feed for that day, mix it up ... resembles a tacky cake mix, but not too tacky ...  when you turn the spoon upside down, the 'mix'  should fall off it into the dish.

 

As soon as the birds have finished eating it, any leave-over is binned and the feeder washed & disinfected.

 

And I always limit it to three consecutive days, and only feed it when I feel something might be working on the birds.

 

 

 

 

[kev01293]

hyacinth-why do u say never add yogurt to the drinkers? ive put natural yogurt into my water drinkers in the past but you,ve now got me wondering if i did the right thing?

                        kevin  :-/

[ribble]

is there any evidence that yakult and such like (human probiotics) are doing the same for pigeons as they do for humans??

or is Avian Specific probiotics required???

[west of englands]

put it on the corn then give it them if they dont eat it they dont get fed

[jimmy white]

i have mixed it with water b4 and found that that to be wrong ,as the birds are not getting the full benefit of the live yogurt,, if,.you need to use it ive found the best way is syringe it straight into their crops, that way your sure its in them

[Wiley]

dont some of the additives in drinking water kill bacteria and arent able to recognise good from bad

[jimmy white]

yes

[Guest]

is there any evidence that yakult and such like (human probiotics) are doing the same for pigeons as they do for humans??

or is Avian Specific probiotics required???

 

 

Can you name [from the label] the bacteria an Avian Specific probiotic contains?

[Roland]

Had a good riend, one who's name is often banded on this and other sites, that wrote to me just why any and ALL yogurts are a waste of time. The simple reality is such that that I never waste time buying any. That is live or organic, etc. etc.

Yakult was recommend to me via another Vet who said that it would help with loose droppings full stop ....  Seems that that mat have helped, ut the jury is still out. As for wasting money on such sil notions that Yougurt are of any benefit at all, well it beegers believe.  And to think I too have wasted the odd quiddy on them lol...

[Guest]

Did a not-so-quick search of the web, and posted up 3 probiotics which name their Cultures; (1) an avian specific one from America, and two yogurts, (2) Yakult from the thread and (3) Onken Biopot, which is the one I use :-.

 

 

(1)

What is the safest, most natural way to counteract the effects of stress?

The answer is to put "friendly" bacteria to work in the birds intestinal tract. The answer is AVI-CULTURE® the live, avian-specific probiotic! It is a totally safe and beneficial product that utilizes "friendly" bacteria that arrives in the gut in sufficient quantities to allow birds to get back on track to a healthy, happy and long life!

AVI-CULTURE® offers aviculturists, veterinarians, pet owners and zoo curators the finest Probiotic on the market with bacterial counts of over 100 million living organisms for the avian intestine per gram! It is over 100 times more effective than most other probiotic products available today!

AVI-CULTURE® is produced using proven, field-tested microorganisms that have been shown to implant on the villi of the intestinal tract in birds: Lactobacillus acidophilus, produces lactic acid and the enzyme amylase during the growth phase; Lactobacillus casei enjoys a wide temperature and pH range during growth and complements L. acidophilus producing lactic acid and amylase; Bifido bacterium bifidium, a delicate microorganism found in mother's milk and human, animal and bird intestines; Enterococcus faecium for lactic acid production in pH ranges similar to L. casei.

 

Cost: 1/2 ounce = 8 dollars (£6) + shipping.

 

http://www.avi-culture.com/page2.html

 

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(2)

How is Yakult made?

A solution of skim milk powder, sugar and water is ultra-heat treated, then fermented using selected, live lactic acid bacteria called Lactobacillus casei Shirota strain. Natural flavours are added, and Yakult is then bottled and packaged. For full details, visit the Product Information section of this website.

 

Cost : ?

 

http://www.yakult.com.au/resources/popups/pop_faqs01.htm

 

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(3)

We've combined three of the bio cultures (Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium longum and Streptococcus thermophilus) in our delicious BIOPOT yogurts to give them that special, mild, creamy taste Onken is famous for.

 

Cost: 1/2 litre tub £1

 

http://www.onken.co.uk/products_biopots.aspx

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[Jeremy]

Flightpath is a complete Avain gut Flora to me its the best on the market in GB.

[Jeremy]

FLIGHTPATH

FlightPathis a 'competitive exclusion' product that contains the entire natural avian gut microflora derived from healthy pathogen free birds. It is designed for use in pigeons to establish or re-establish the natural gut microflora following an event that has produced an imbalance.

 

An imbalance in the gut microflora can be caused by:

 

Physiological changes induced by stress due to racing, pairing, diet change and moulting.

 

 

Medication such as antibiotics.

This imbalance can be addressed in pigeons using FlightPath.

 

Benefits

 

Flightpath helps to prevent salmonella and E.coli colonising the gut.

 

FlightPath contains millions of bacteria from a wide range of benign bacterial species.

 

 

The bacteria in FlightPath have many beneficial effects:

 

Produce bacteriocins that damage pathogenic bacteria.

 

Produce organic acids that damage pathogenic bacteria

 

Out compete pathogenic bacteria for nutrients available in the gut.

 

Prevent pathogenic bacteria attaching to the walls of the gut.

 

Release nutrients from complex foods and make them available for absorption.

 

Produce vitamins that can be absorbed by the gut.

Flightpath is available in foil laminate sachets,each containing sufficient for 50 birds and is supplied in multiples of 6 or 12 sachets.

 

The full text of our leaflet, Quick Guide and information flyer for FlightPath are available on the Downloads page

[Guest]

Flightpath is a complete Avain gut Flora to me its the best on the market in GB.

 

I was interested enough by your opinion on this product to have a look at it.

 

The main thing that I was interested in was what named bacteria were in the product, neither your second post nor the product website tells me that.

 

Just what is in a complete avian gut flora? Are all birds the same [i think not] and which particular species of bird did the original culture come from?

 

Why does it say it was 'specifically designed for pigeons' when 2 million? sachets have already been sold to the reared game bird industry? Wouldn't a more correct decription be 'a product for poultry'?

 

And after you start using it, in [non-existent] non-chlorinated and non-fluoridated water, you can't administer an 'ordinary' probiotic ever again 'because you'll upset the Flightpath gut balance'?

 

 

Imho, perhaps the best advertising blurb in the GB?

 

 

[Jeremy]

Hi Bruno

It does say on the web site what bacteria it contains if you download the details on flightpath. And yes they have used it on 2 million poultry which i think this is a good thing as it is tryed and tested in the real world. And yes bacteria is the same pigeons as in is in chickens etc. It is a complete avain gut flora it contains 100`s of different types of bacteria, which your human or normal probiotic does not. We have tested Flightpath in the RPRA 1 loft race the last 2 years with good results. And will be using it again in 2007

Jeremy.

[Guest]

Looked at the website last night, and downloaded the Factsheet, posted up my original reply based on that visit.

 

http://www.microbialdevelopments.com/downloads2.php

 

Saw your latest post and looked again, downloaded Leaflet, Health & Safety datasheet, Quickguide.

 

There is nothing on the website or in the 4 downloads which gives any information on what microorganisms this product contains. Can you provide this information or the link to it?

 

I would also be very interested in how you administer it to the birds in the RPRA 1 Loft, and also how you dispose of it after use.

 

 

[me]

my post which was removed by an over zealous moderator was the only sensible one posted on the entire thread. You only have to use your eyes and read some of the stuff posted here to know that.