what can people tell me

[paul l]

what can people tell me about the osman strain

 

             paul

[Guest]

doesnt he play for Everton?

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

 

 

the osmans were in eastenders

[paul l]

                 verry funny if u cant help dont ans im seriouse thanks

[ALF]

 

 

the osmans were in eastenders

 

 

YOUR PROBABLY THE ONLY WAN ON HERE THAT KNEW THAT YA SWEETIE WIFE :P :P

[Wiley]

as i said to y a mate over msn a very old strain go back to the great wars. Colin Osman pigeons they were good pigeons many years ago, but now there very few and far between. I couldnt name an actual fancier who has them now and does well. I also would have thought it would have been very hard to keep this family pure, and if they are pure osmans im sure they would be have very dilute blood in them now, and if i was to buy these birds i would recommend that you bring in a good cross.If i am correct W.H Osman excelled in the long distance races.But if i am correct in saying this i believe the osmans also had quiet a big family of pigeon men as there was also Alfred. h. Osman and Lt.-Col A.H Osman and W.H Osman.And if i am right they orientated from the east part of London. I maybe wrong but these are the osman pigeons i know of! :-/

[Wiley]

Colin Osman?s [CO] parents lived in Finchley, moved to Welwyn Garden City. Father William Hibs, b.1890 ? d.1968. Mother Elsie b.1894 ? d.1963. Mother?s family from Clacton, father captain of Clacton lifeboat; mother never close to them. No close contact with either maternal or paternal families, except for father?s sister, who lived in Ipswich. Rift in family when parents married. Evacuated to an aunt?s house during war; mother had scarlet fever. Missed school certificate as a result, but hoped to join the Royal navy. Sent to Millfield crammer; one-to-one teaching; on a matter of weeks learnt about passing exams. Grandfather born in 1840?s, solicitors clerk, fanatic about pigeon racing. On the day he died, grandmother walked out of the house and never stepped foot in it again, because she had no interest in pigeons. Grandfather born in Bromley-by-Bow, moved to Silvertown, then Wanstead Common. From there he began to devote his life to pigeon racing. 1896 foundation of national organisation, 1898 founded the family magazine, The Racing Pigeon. Gave up his job, and with Sammy Green started the magazine, the bible of pigeon fanciers. Grandfather raced pigeons throughout the summer for the Wanstead club. Federations of clubs organised the transportation of the pigeons by train. Flew between London and Scotland. Keen on long distance racing, not only active in the administration of the sport, but a first class fancier. Fanciers tend to be animal keepers, stockmen; know and respect animals, but don?t pamper them; grandfather said the secret of his success was eating pigeon pie. Pigeon-fancying came from Belgian Huguenots; in Britain, Club Row became a centre; railways caused explosion in pigeon racing; Charles Darwin kept pigeons. The attractions of pigeon fancying and racing. Sport is declining in Britain, more so in Belgium. The Racing Pigeon circulation was about 15-20,000 at its height. In many cases it would have been the only thing pigeon-keepers read.Working Mens Clubs became important bases for pigeon fanciers; grandfather became relatively well off; his friends were among the gentlemen fanciers; father took annual holidays at Harrogate. Rank and file fanciers from heavy industry areas, pigeon lofts on allotments, a release from the dark and dirt of the environment, could conduct the sport at home at little cost. Magazine circulation decreased as partnerships of fanciers took over; very few women fanciers. Racing Pigeon magazine had photographs, but important section was the results. Grandfather died in 1931, magazine passed to father, then CO, now run by son. In 1970, CO started racing Pigeon Pictorial, upmarket magazine; colour photography, international circulation; all relates to the photography. Grandfather always thought of as the ‘Colonel’; organised pigeon messenger services in WW1; got O.B.E. Pigeons used even more in WW2. Late older brother Tony, became a scientist and writer, president of the Science Writers Association. Younger brother Brian, became a child psychologist. Magazine circulation built up in the inter-war years to 35,000; after WW2 kept price down, peaked at 40,000, but lost money; circulation creeping down ever since. Father and uncle entire editorial team throughout the war: paper rationing, circulation dropped to 15,000, but still profitable. Uncle died in the 1950s; CO began to assume more and more responsibility; employed new staff, but father still countersigned all the cheques. CO joined Navy at the end of WW2, hoping for permanent career; romantic dream. Immediate entry to university at end of war. Went to Alleynes School in Stevenage; negligible qualifications, passed A-Level Latin; went to Queen Marys College, East London. Originally based around The Peoples Palace, Stepney.

[Wiley]

Colin Osman is not only a practical pigeon fancier himself but belongs to the third of four generations of a family that has been the acknowledged leader of the sport for well over one hundred years. His grandfather founded The Racing Pigeon, the leading journal for the sport, and during the fifty years that Colin himself worked on the magazine he had frequent opportunities to meet and exchange ideas with the most successful fanciers throughout the world.

 

 

The next part is from pigeon network .com and is written by Liam O Comain

 

The Osman surname has been associated with the sport of racing pigeons since the birth of the sport in Britain, not only with its practical aspects including racing, administration, and so on but from this family came the oldest racing pigeon publication in the world, still going strong today, The Racing Pigeon. The Osmans have other publications to their credit, including the monthly magazine the Racing Pigeon Pictorial International and books on the sport.

 

Then, of course, there is the association with the annual Old Comrades Show. However, in this article I'd like to recall the origins and some feats of this carefully bred strain.Initially, I would like to recall an incident when I attended a pigeon auction in the Protestant Hall at Glenavy, Co. Antrim, shortly after my return to the sport about two and a half years ago. Whilst there I got into a conversation with a number of fanciers from Co. Down who were discussing British pigeon families. Upon introducing ourselves, one of the participants referred to my name- rather more in ignorance than prejudice- with the usual question, 'What is it in English?'. He changed the subject slightly when I asked him, 'Would you ask the Russian author Solzhenitsyn to translate his name for you if he was here?'

 

With no response to my question he hurriedly translated 'Liam' as William, referring to its diminutive as 'Billy' and asked us if we had ever heard of Old Billy. Some had, some hadn't, but the translator proceeded to outline the life of one of the most famous pigeons ever to be born in Europe. The incident which I recall confirmed that amongst the racing pigeon fraternity there is a wealth of knowledge- some fact, some fiction, some a combination of both- which ensures the continual presence in one's memory of a famous pigeon or fancier.

 

The Osmans from which Old Billy came were a strain whose members were of medium size and whose colours were mainly red chequer and mealy. They descended initially from birds obtained from fanciers such as Oliver, Cottell, Stanhope, Harris and J.W. Barker. They were carefully bred to the line via the sire but crosses were introduced via well- tried hens of impeccable long distance bloodlines. Osmans would cross well with other strains, especially the Logans and the Gits. In fact, in the creation of his strain the founder carefully bought for many years the best representatives of Gits, Rey and Vassart from Belgium, plus, as a good friend of Logan, he obtained fine specimens from the latter's family. One of those was a dam of Revived Hope, a famous Osman pigeon.

 

Now Old Billy (who was less well known as '59') was a mealy cock whose genes permeated, I believe, every bird of the Osman family for generations. His sire was bred in 1885 and was a blue chequer cock known as 'No. 35', bred by James Harris and derived from the Belgian bloodlines of a Mr. Pescher, whereas his dam was a J.W. Barker mealy hen born in 1886. Old Billy in due course fathered Mumpy, Mortification, and Blue Bell among others, the latter three being winners from Arbroath, Thurso, and Lerwick respectively.

 

It was then in due course that Old Billy's blood- via his grandsons Wanstead Wonder and Forlorn Hope- progressed the family. These grandsons being landmark pigeons in the history of British strains, Forlorn Hope as a breeder being responsible for many winners world-wide and as a racer winning 2nd Perth, 1st Thurso, 23rd Thurso, 8th Lerwick, etc,. He was approximately 18 years old when he died and the passing of this dark red chequer cock was a cause of much sadness in the Osmans' circle. Wanstead Wonder also won many races including 1st Thurso, and a pigeon from Forlorn Hope, named Revived Hope won 1st Federation from Lerwick in 1913 and again in 1914. It was a very hard race and Revived Hope reflected the strain's example in hard, bad- weather races. Yes, the Osman strain, for its founders and hundreds of fanciers worldwide, got going when the going got tough, so to speak.

 

In America, as in Britain and indeed in Ireland, there are still fanciers who claim to have Osman bloodlines today and who race well, especially showing a consistency when the odds are terribly opposed to them, weather- wise. In the meantime, I hope my article, however modest, recalls if not for the younger, at least for the older generation,the memory of a pivotal strain moulded by a master in the history of the sport in the United Kingdom.

 

 

 

 

[Wiley]

hopes this helps some reading here for you mate

[Guest ben]

Hi Paul,

            Founded in the 1880`s by A H Osman,founder of the Racing Pigeon Magazine,as Wiley says,in the vanguard of pigeon racing in the British Ises real top class distance strain,took over by his son W H Osman,then Colin,not sure if Rick still flys after selling out,to what we basically have as now the Racing Pigeon Comic ;D ;D.

         Many top families throughout the years had osmans base,or cross,but i think those days mostly gone here england,but i know from our old Squills year books,American,and Australian writeups seemed to indicate brilliant results from purebreed or crosses,way way out passed 5-6 even 7 hundred miles...very intresting,as is the methods flew by our overseas friends.

   Perhaps a visit to those countries fancy websites might bring more up to date imformation,and race results with the Osman strain,as we all know how sadly lacking in pigeon knowledge those backward pigeon countries are,leaning so very heavily on myths of Purebreeds as a salvation. : :-/

[sapper756]

DONNY, MERYL, WAYNE, JAY, ALAN, JIMMY AND MARIE, WEREN,T THEY THE OSMANS ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D  SORRY COULDN,T RESIST IT.

[ALF]

DONNY, MERYL, WAYNE, JAY, ALAN, JIMMY AND MARIE, WEREN,T THEY THE OSMANS ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D  SORRY COULDN,T RESIST IT.

 

WAS GONNSE SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT ASWELL BUT THOUGHT I WOULD GET PELTERS SO DIDNAE BOTHER ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[rockinrick]

yes i do still fly osman birds along side my jan aardens  lol  

 

paul m8 as i told u on msn  you will be flying a breed that are one of the best in country . ;D ;D ;D

[paul l]

yes i do still fly osman birds along side my jan aardens  lol  

 

paul m8 as i told u on msn  you will be flying a breed that are one of the best in country . ;D ;D ;D

 

i know mate just doing a bit of homework on them nice to now what im going to fly mate and about them ta rick mate

[bluey]

Schumman imported Osmans to the USA in the 50/60s I think which did very well at the distance.

Colin Osman had some back to cross in to his own.

CO also raced as Osman and Shepherd at one time.