ETS

[THE FIFER]

if ETS was in use, would like to know how many would use it etc, this is not a vote for or against,but if it was passed for use, how many would use it etc. some are already using it in scotland so they would no doubt vote yes, this is for all UK, and please keep this topic a good debate,

[friendsloft]

Fifer i am still undecided, its not that I am against it, or the price of the system,its the cost of the rings which is my concern

friendsloft

[THE FIFER]

Fifer i am still undecided, its not that I am against it, or the price of the system,its the cost of the rings which is my concern

friendsloft

 

 

a good reply as i think a lot are of the same regarding rings.

 

 

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

yes the rings are £1.20 each that is a lot compared to the convetional rubber!

[friendsloft]

My reason is alot of these rings will be going on young birds,and we all know about young bird loss s can be quite high,so these rings would have to be replaced every year, i can only see one winner here,and its not the pigeon man, reduce the price of rings to a more realistic price and my vote would have been yes no problem

friendsloft

[THE FIFER]

i agree on the ring situation and this could be a problem, so i for one will be raising this with the ets stalls at Blackpool and hopefully a lot more will as well, let them know about it, the more the better.

[GREENGRASS]

the whole point is though fifer just because ets is going to be approved in the rpra and other unions if you dont like the price of the units or the rings dont use them as it is not mandatory to have one, how many people have a t3 clock or the new t3s great clocks and will work for years to come. nobody has to have it, nobody is forcing anybody to have it. from what i hear tonight it may be closer to being introduced by the rpra than we think.  

 

personally i work shifts and sat included so i will look to see if there is a way it could work for me, i certinaly would not vote against it because i was home all day every sat and did not need it. so i would say i am in favour of it.

[THE FIFER]

yes the rings are £1.20 each that is a lot compared to the convetional rubber!

 

i understand there would be losses but just wonder if a club had all members on ets would the losses on ets rings be more than it would have cost for rubbers in the year. just a thought, what does it cost ur club for rubbers a year, this would be a saving to the club, so maybe the club savings on rubbers could subsidize this amount towards members rings, after all u are paying for the rubbers in ur birdage or whatever, and if u use ets the club will be saving money there.

 

 

[Pompey Mick]

The members I have spoken to in my Club are all for it, no-one has voiced an opinion against it. The cost of the rings may persuade fanciers to be a bit more selective in the number of pigeons they breed and race thereby affecting a saving in the cost of keeping and racing pigeons.

In our racing last year birdage averaged out about 0.75p a race so it wouldn't take much of a trimming to recoup monies spent on rings.

[Guest CS]

Fifer, Do you think RPRA will accept ETS in the future for racing?. it will be expensive for rings when the birds are lost.

[THE FIFER]

Fifer, Do you think RPRA will accept ETS in the future for racing?. it will be expensive for rings when the birds are lost.

 

don't know craig, the poll is for if u would use ets if it was passed, but yes rings are expansive but there would be a saving on rubbers, once ets rings are bought its the losses that are going to be costly, but there again what would be the saving on rubbers, which are not reuseable, look at the balance sheets of organisations and see what it cost for rubbers for a season, remember ets rings are there apart from losses for good.

 

 

[Mike Lycett]

I'm against.

[robert.sutherland]

I have brought this up before and after speaking to some people in the USA if iv got it right thay still back it up by clocking the old fashiond way as well so is there any point and is there any saveings on rubbers AND UNLESS EVERYBODY USE IT IT WOULD BE UNFARE RACEING                                YOURS IN SPORT      BOB                    

[birdman55678]

Robert.sutherland,

This part of the USA (west coast) doesn't use any kind of backup with the countermarks.  However most everyone of the older flyers still have there old clocks for use in case anything ever happens to their electric one.  After the last 5 years with no problems I probably will be getting rid of both my windups.    As far as the unfairness in the racing it definately is faster, if you use clocking limits then it probably wouldn't matter a lot either way, but you can clock 30 birds while only getting one with a counter mark.  I know a matter of a few seconds is sometimes critical so guess it would depend on how close all the birds were.  Good luck whichever way you guys and gals go.  Ed

[blue bar]

Ihave been useing one for 3yrs now and 90% of club has followed 18 months after asked them if they would go back to the old stb or t3 not one will. :D

[sj irving jnr]

the thing that puts me of is the price of the rings,you would think they could be cheaper

[T_T]

Interested but concerned about the cost.  I can see families at war over this.

Another question ?

Can the ETS rings be put on a youngster at any age, or are they used the same as the conventional registration ring at 8-10 days. ?  In other words, is the ETS ring a clip ring ?  If it is a clip ring, I would train my youngsters hard minus the ETS ring and when it's time for racing, put the clip ring on.  Youngsters that were lost in training or off the loft and perhaps returned after racing started, wouldn't have risked the price of a ring at £1:20 a time.  They wouldn't be kept either.  

[friendsloft]

They are clip style rings which can be transfered to one bird to another and be recoded, this will cause another problem where birdes who hjave made a mistake and gone down,could have the ring removed before it given its liberty to return home

friendsloft

[barlbylofts]

i agree wiyh all whats been said. its the cost thats a prob. i would love to use a ets  as it would be better for me in the mid week club as i am at work and i wouldnt have to be there to time in the birds.one thing i did see thoe is that the rings are a clip ring.so it wouldnt be at a great cost as we all think (maybe)

[friendsloft]

Time will tell but depending on how many youngsters you breed how many you lose, and for the first year how many rings you wouild have to transfer to your old bird ,would determin how many you bought the second year and so on and at £1.20 this is going to work out quite an expence

friendskoft

[friendsloft]

Clockman i dont drink nor smoke so that is irrelvant the quetion was how much the ETS rings against rubbers

friendsloft

[sapper756]

Exactly Clocky, if you grudge spending £1,20 on a bird, it doesn,t say much about how you value that bird. May stop some breeding so much gash.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

£ 1.20 a ring  :-/ how much is it for a pint of beer  :-/ or a packet of fags :-/

as you see i quoted clockmans post because he took it off and makes above posts look as if they are answering nothing, a bit silly posting that then taking it off clockman   ;) ;D ;D

what has the the price of fags or drink got to do with pigeon rings ?

ets will be introduced everywhere in the uk and as has been said if you want it use it if you dont dont use, it should not be a problem anywhere, its not going to be compulsory, and i can never see the price of ets rings coming down, does anything in pigeons come down in price, i dont have ets and dont want it through choice, our club got money to buy new clocks and not one was interested in ets, free choice as it should be for everybody else, could never see the point of anybody arguing over a pigeon clock, you use what you want as long as it is allowed, end of story.

[friendsloft]

I value all my birds other wise i would not be in this sport ,what i do object to is paying a high price to line someone elses pocket when i think the rings could be produced and marketed at aq cheeper price

friendsloft

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I value all my birds other wise i would not be in this sport ,what i do object to is paying a high price to line someone elses pocket when i think the rings could be produced and marketed at aq cheeper price

friendsloft

 

we are lining someones pocket every time we purchase anything to do with pigeons, so thats why we tend to shop around but unfortunately up till now you cannot  do this with ets rings, as with everything it can always be produced cheaper somewhere but will it happen with ets rings ? don't think so as this is a goldmine for somebody and will other producers that will make rings cheaper have them accepted for use in the uk ?