loosing birds ??????????

[rockinrick]

help is anyone else losing birds  from there lofts , i have lost 16 babies and three adults in the last month , but i dont know why  , the birds look healthy and they are mating with great success , but as soon as the chicks reach 3 weeks they die and now i have lost three adults  and i have one that can hardly standup .

 

at first i thought it had broken legs but they are fine  , please anyone had similar or know s why its happening please help , before i lose all my stock birds   :( > > >

[Wiley]

sounds like paratyphoid mate,if its lost use of legs,and the wings then become lame and birds are dieing left right and centre,had this about 3-4 years back,once i jabbed them it stopped lost loads of good pigeons including combine winners. Heart breaking even contemplated in leaving the sport stay in there. The question is thought mate you have to question why you got it!

[rockinrick]

sounds like paratyphoid mate,if its lost use of legs,and the wings then become lame and birds are dieing left right and centre,had this about 3-4 years back,once i jabbed them it stopped lost loads of good pigeons including combine winners. Heart breaking even contemplated in leaving the sport stay in there. The question is thought mate you have to question why you got it!

 

if it is m8 how did they get it and how do u cure it  as its in my stock loft and i cant afford to start again

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[Wiley]

the reason why i believe i got it was because my friend was starting back up in the sport and asked if he could house the pigeons he bought at my house till he put up a loft which i agreed to as we were racing partners a few years back, he brang in the bevverdam birds to be housed with  my birds till he got a loft all looked full of health but i beleive it is these and overcrowding that caused the problem.Last year i found out another guy who bought birds from the same beverdam sale as my friend culled them all as they all had paratyphoid ! It was a hard and expensive lesson to learn and many good winners brang a tear to my eye! That was just in the stock. It only affected one section of the race team which was strange and this wiped out 3 federation and 7 club winners.Since then havent topped the federation for last 3 years and always used to top it at least once! It ruined my team and caused me to basically start back from scratch! Even those that had it and recovered after the jab where no good, so had to be removed. Its taken me three years to slowly build up a good team yet again,this year first year with what id say with a full team of pigeons. I jab my birds every year the treatment starts in novemeber with a 10day course of treatement and were jabbed on the 11thday! This year this was done and only two showed signs of a reaction these were my best racers last season. They may show signs of a reaction but as your birds have it they will not react the way birds that have it in a small dose as they sulking,and not eating for 2 days but the third day they are fine.This is due to i believe they have a bit of paratyphoid inside there system and the vaccine makes them have a paratyphoid overdose then the 3rd day its completely gone. All birds also have to be given a booster vaccination which can be anything from 21 days to 6 months! Hope this helps abit and shows the damage it had caused!

[Wiley]

babies dieing in the nest and in the shell is signs of poaratyphoid aswell mate forgot to add!

[Guest Paulo]

the reason why i believe i got it was because my friend was starting back up in the sport and asked if he could house the pigeons he bought at my house till he put up a loft which i agreed to as we were racing partners a few years back, he brang in the bevverdam birds to be housed with  my birds till he got a loft all looked full of health but i beleive it is these and overcrowding that caused the problem.Last year i found out another guy who bought birds from the same beverdam sale as my friend culled them all as they all had paratyphoid ! It was a hard and expensive lesson to learn and many good winners brang a tear to my eye! That was just in the stock. It only affected one section of the race team which was strange and this wiped out 3 federation and 7 club winners.Since then havent topped the federation for last 3 years and always used to top it at least once! It ruined my team and caused me to basically start back from scratch! Even those that had it and recovered after the jab where no good, so had to be removed. Its taken me three years to slowly build up a good team yet again,this year first year with what id say with a full team of pigeons. I jab my birds every year the treatment starts in novemeber with a 10day course of treatement and were jabbed on the 11thday! This year this was done and only two showed signs of a reaction these were my best racers last season. They may show signs of a reaction but as your birds have it they will not react the way birds that have it in a small dose as they sulking,and not eating for 2 days but the third day they are fine.This is due to i believe they have a bit of paratyphoid inside there system and the vaccine makes them have a paratyphoid overdose then the 3rd day its completely gone. All birds also have to be given a booster vaccination which can be anything from 21 days to 6 months! Hope this helps abit and shows the damage it had caused!

 

I had problems with beaverdam birds as well only 1 out of 4 surrvived!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rockinrick]

ok m8 well i spose its time to invest in the jabs then but wat if it isnt that ? giving jabs will it do any damage ?

[Webmaster]

Make sure you're using a good mixture of minerals grits and the like. Laying for the hens, and feeding squeakers takes a lot out of the birds.

[Wiley]

if it isnt that you can go down the route i went and done,went to pigeon shops explained symptoms they were coming out with loads of sh*t o its cocci o its canker you need this this and this! What did it do sod all if in dowt get the test done its the only way to be sure, and also forgot to mention is what i done! but once they had it i personally dont think there any good and i think they will be carriers, dont quote me on my last statment about carriers but is what i believe

[Wiley]

Make sure you're using a good mixture of minerals grits and the like. Laying for the hens, and feeding squeakers takes a lot out of the birds.

 

not if he needs to treat them richard, i believe he has cocks dieing aswell

[Guest]

Consult your nearest avian vet quickly. Be prepared for the next death and bag and freeze or refrigerate it (vet will advise which) for autopsy.

 

You say the birds look fine. The problem started with 3 week old YBs before the 1st OB was affected. Are your OBs prisoners and if so are they getting full supplements and access to an aviary? Did you bring in ANYTHING new?

 

The OBs that are affected just now, dispose of their youngsters, clean & disinifect the box and use it to isolate them.

 

Use any drinking water sanitiser, all drinkers including unaffected lofts, sections.

 

If it is just one loft or section make sure there's no connection to other lofts or sections. Do affected section last in your chores, and spray your hands and scrapers etc with something like virkon after you're finished there and before you go anywhere else..

 

BEST WISHES.

[rockinrick]

Consult your nearest avian vet quickly. Be prepared for the next death and bag and freeze or refrigerate it (vet will advise which) for autopsy.

 

You say the birds look fine. The problem started with 3 week old YBs before the 1st OB was affected. Are your OBs prisoners and if so are they getting full supplements and access to an aviary? Did you bring in ANYTHING new?

 

The OBs that are affected just now, dispose of their youngsters, clean & disinifect the box and use it to isolate them.

 

Use any drinking water sanitiser, all drinkers including unaffected lofts, sections.

 

If it is just one loft or section make sure there's no connection to other lofts or sections. Do affected section last in your chores, and spray your hands and scrapers etc with something like virkon after you're finished there and before you go anywhere else..

 

BEST WISHES.

 

thnx bruno i will lookinto  a vets in the morning

 

[mosslands1]

hiya rick A friend of mlne had same problem it was vitamin poisoning he mixed it to strong and gave it to them all the time it took 3 weeks to kill young birds and the old birds were dying when they were consuming lots of water to feed there young ?  

[pigeonpete]

sorry to hear that rick, wish i was nearee to have a look! i had paramoxy last year in my stock birds, very similiar symptoms to paratyphoid! killed the lot, was heart and pocket wrenching! bought a couple of dodgy stock birds!!

 

coild be a number of things though! has it started since you started breeding? what have you gave them different? have they been in the garden? fielding? could it be poisoning? like bruno says only real way is autopsy, wont be cheap, but wont be cheap treating blindly either, then end up at square one again,

 

hope you get it sorted out, i know what your going through,

 

let me know if ya want any ybs or owt mate :-/

[crazy pigeon boy]

hi

 

a good way to tell if it's paratyphoid is if the birds look like they are drunk because it effects the nerves also if the dropings are dark green very watery and smell a little like fish make sure you isolate all infected birds and disenfect loft and drinkers daily also give probiotics in the water this may help

[birdman55678]

help is anyone else losing birds  from there lofts , i have lost 16 babies and three adults in the last month , but i dont know why  , the birds look healthy and they are mating with great success , but as soon as the chicks reach 3 weeks they die and now i have lost three adults  and i have one that can hardly standup .

 

at first i thought it had broken legs but they are fine  , please anyone had similar or know s why its happening please help , before i lose all my stock birds   :( > > >

 

The first thing to do is take one of the sick birds to a vet and have him check the bird, he may end up killing it to an autopsy on it but at least you will no exactly what you need to treat for, this will be expensive but much less costly in the long run.  I tend to believe you probably have a cocci problem and not paratyphoid but get it checked to be sure.  There must be something that has changed in the loft this spring whether it be adding new birds or overcrowding, something must be different.  Good luck.  Ed

[Guest slugmonkey]

we had paratyphoid the 1st year I raced I am not sure if we got it from birds we bought or mice, I lost about 6 birds I started giving cider vinegar when I first noticed something wrong - it helped - after test results we treated whole operation with Baytril on vet recomendation and everything is fine now

whenever you bring in new birds QUARINTINE them I have a pen I specifically keep new arrivals in for 60 days then I put pumpers in with them for another 30 days after that if no signs of sickness then I introduce them into pens and population I do this to ALL new arrivals and even my birds that return from futurities diffrent guys handle birds diffrent this ensures that anything in an incubation period runs its course and also allows new arrivals to build immunity to any bugs that may be lurking in my loft that they are not immune to

[pigeonscout]

Do you have mice in the loft????

[pigeonscout]

We all know that paratyphoid is associated with mice. The name of the Salmonella species that causes paratyphoid in pigeons, typhimurium, means mouse typhoid. Contaminated grain can be the direct cause (mice urine on the feed)

[Wiley]

i always thought there was 3 strains of paratyphoid so i was told ??

[tony99]

I HAD THE SAME THING TWO YEARS AGO I WENT IN ONE DAY ONE DEAD  NEXT DAY TWO DEAD THE NEXT DAY THERTEEN DEAD MINE WAS LAME THE LOT OF THEM/ IT WAS STREPPYCOCCY I PUT THEM ON Amoxicillin AND WITHIN THREE DAYS THAY WAS OK  I HOPE U SORT IT OUT I NO WHAT ITS LIKE

[pigeonscout]

http://www.pipa.be/artikels/pi-account/paratyphoid.htm

[jimmy white]

difficult time rick,,, looking through the posts i find most of them valid points , but rather than differant strains of paratyphoid , salmonellosis, i think it is more of differant forms of this desease [infecting birds in differant ways] it is very easy to have a carrier in the loft without any visible effects , and off course it may not even be this, but to be sure i think it would be safer [and cheaper in the long run] to have a  p,m done on any poorly birds , the vet would do the needfull , plus you should maybe get a droppings,and swab  culture, test done ,but unfortunately it doesnt allways show up in the droppings regularly, but what you do need to remember that this can cause desease in man, so strict hygeine must be observed. i sincerely hope it is not this , but better being safe than sorry,and seek vetenary advice, if you want your birds droppings tested i can get this done for you, but in the circumstances would prefer an autopsy, i wish you well with this rick and hope you get to the bottom of it quickly as i know how worrying this can be,  

[maverick]

A LOT OF FANCIERS IN MALTA HAD THIS LAST YEAR WITH YOUNG BIRDS IN THE NEST LOOKING HEALTHY ONE DAY NEXT DAY THEY WERE DEAD , OLD BIRDS OUT FLYING ONE DAY NEXT DAY LIFELESS AND DROPPING DEAD A LOT HAD TESTS DONE BUT WITH  NOTHING SHOWING UP .

[Tony C]

A LOT OF FANCIERS IN MALTA HAD THIS LAST YEAR WITH YOUNG BIRDS IN THE NEST LOOKING HEALTHY ONE DAY NEXT DAY THEY WERE DEAD , OLD BIRDS OUT FLYING ONE DAY NEXT DAY LIFELESS AND DROPPING DEAD A LOT HAD TESTS DONE BUT WITH  NOTHING SHOWING UP .

 

We had something similar knocking about around here about 4 years ago, autopsy's done, all that come back was that it was some kind of Herpes infection. At the same time Koi carp were also snuffing it, same findings Herpes infection