flyaways/latebreds

[kev01293]

why is it that i tend to lose far more latebred yb,s as flyaways (about 40 per cent)

when i dont have anywhere near the same amount of losses with my yb,s bred in the breeding season??   any answers/theories from anyone would be appreciated

                                                     kev :-/

[Guest]

could it be u pay less attention to ur latebreds then u do to ur racing team,?..i dont think because they are latebreds that they tend to be lost easier.

i think its common that latebreds tend to have less attention then the original race birds because theres no pressure.... then there is to raise a good race team.....paul

 

[Guest CS]

Late bred ybs are a waste of time... Kev.

[kev01293]

yeh ive noticed that some of the latebreds (bred for a friend) were not of the same qaulity as my yb,s bred in season but the latebreds were reared on my usual breeding mix with added g40,s plus other breeding supplements as well, the latebreds just seemed unpredictable and were easily lost off the loft, in all honesty they should have been in my friends loft earlier which means he now has to resettle them again to his loft

                                   kev

[paul l]

Late bred ybs are a waste of time... Kev.

 

may be to u craig but to the likes of me id apreciate any and train the same as earley birds so think about what u say

 

[mickmcgrevy]

There are a larger percenage of late bred birds lost for one simple reason, THEY GET THROWN IN AT THE DEEP END, meaning they are not trained as well as the early bred young birds are. I have seen it happen time and time again, fanciers say they have late breds and intend to train them out of season and early on beforte racing begins, but it never happens, in the y go after two or three tosses. Followed by that old well known saying ..........they will follow the others home.

But very often it doesn't happen,    late breds are no better or worse than early bred birds, they are just treated differently.

[Wiley]

Late bred ybs are a waste of time... Kev.

 

disagree with this comment if treated right they turn out to be good pigeons

[Wiley]

There are a larger percenage of late bred birds lost for one simple reason, THEY GET THROWN IN AT THE DEEP END, meaning they are not trained as well as the early bred young birds are. I have seen it happen time and time again, fanciers say they have late breds and intend to train them out of season and early on beforte racing begins, but it never happens, in the y go after two or three tosses. Followed by that old well known saying ..........they will follow the others home.

But very often it doesn't happen,    late breds are no better or worse than early bred birds, they are just treated differently.

 

ya hit the nail on the head my friend

[Guest Vic]

bred out of season, fighting against unnatural daylight hours., to complete a reasonable moult. All stress, unlike their spring counterparts. But there again! what is a late bred? Some of the wide boys call 'em summer ybs  these days. ;)Vic

[Guest]

The best way I have found for latebreds to race is to give them open hole most of winter on their own and on fine days they will go off and range just as the early ones do. I know a lot of people lock their birds up most of winter hence better to have a section on own or even an aviary. Then I put them in with the youngbirds for the following season and train them with this years youngsters from scratch.

Then when they have had enough schooling leave them alone to moult out and bring them out to race as 2 year olds. A friend of mine done exactly the same thing with a latebred cock of 2003. Brought him out to race in 2005 had two inlands, then the St Nazaire National and won the LSECC Pau race on an extremely hard weekend. The guy I mention is Ray Hammond.

 

It is alot of work and you will lose some which just are not up to the grade but it can be done. Failing that latebreds make excellent stock birds in fact half my stock team is latebred sons and daughters from my best. Hope this helps.

 

 

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Late breds are as good as anything that is in your loft . From a personal point these birds are lost through stress and not being right inside. They must be educated properly asap and looked after like your first round but health has a massive part play in there lives.

[mark]

 

may be to u craig but to the likes of me id apreciate any and train the same as earley birds so think about what u say

 

craig.

        if you are starting up and someone offers you 10 well bred ybs to bred from next season they are worth there weight in gold when you start up and have nothing.

[mac1]

when i started my advice from a very good local flyer,was to go to another fed and ask the top flyer in the fed to breed me some late breds  thats what i done and im very happy with what ive got

[Guest]

My late breds are exactly that, they don't get trained as young birds and are left to the following year. I've 5 late breds for racing this year, 3 cocks and 2 hens, and the one thing I noticed about them is that they are absolutely full of flying. Basically can't get them out of the sky. I'd like to start training these in May as a seperate team and hoped to get them racing this year.

 

I've never had any success racing late breds and training starting in May is as advised by members on the forum. I was interested in what Darren had to say about starting late breds racing when they are two year olds. I was told this when I started up. How much training is given at yearling stage?

 

[Guest]

Bruno they get exactly the same ammount of training as my youngsters.

 

I start my youngbirds at about 8 miles for about 6 tosses, then they go to 15 miles again probably for about 6 to 8 tosses and then out to about 30miles. They have about 6 or 8 tosses before 1st race and then 3 0r 4 a week right through racing. So my youngens may have about 45 tosses all season and the latebreds will go with them. Add to that before racing starts some of the tosses are double ups and liberations with a couple of friends who live about 12 and twenty miles apart. They get plenty of training and breaking practice.

 

You will lose 1 or 2 but you do any youngster, the ones that make it usually score well from then on.

 

When I used to try and start my latebreds off early season with the old birds always lost them all first toss, don't ask me why.

 

Now I usually breed a couple each year for the stock loft and have a couple for racing from my best. This year I have 3 gorgeous cocks from a guy in rochdale called dennis smith and they are from his palamos family so I really don't want to drop these but you take your chances.

 

A friend has told me to put them staright to stock but as they are untried I don't really want to. On the other hand treated right they might be the next palamos winners lol.

 

Another little tip keep them in with your youngsters and they get dragged all round the countryside with them when they go ranging.

[Guest j v ward]

if you train l breds in the winter on good days they should be ok one of our members win with l breds treated this way

[kev01293]

thanx 4 all the comments,its given me plenty to think about

                      kev :

[Guest Hjaltland]

I found that if you train them with the YB's when they are 'yearlings' then they make excellent two yearolds. Lets face it - LB's are going to be bred off your best birds ? Yes? so the breeding is there. If you dont have time and patience to spend with them as yearlings then chances are they'll be lost.

 

My best ever hen was a late bred.

[ray]

ive found with latebreads is they must be trained in there year of birth pick nice clear sunny days and give them chucks of a couple of miles a few times then move them on, i lost 16 from 18 as yearlings that where not trained the year they where born. ray

[Roland]

Late bred ybs are a waste of time... Kev.

 

Why's that then Kev?

 

 

[Roland]

Late breds are BRED in the purple, in the best weather and ripe feed. A great supplement to any 'Poor Season, AND if held back with just one race first season they will be your best birds the seasn after.

Most just don't have the patience to wait. But again if you don't eed them till they are 18 months to race....

[jimmy white]

in my opinion l.breds can make very good racers or breeders,,trouble is,,,, most late breds hardly see the light of day , b4 their flung in the basket early the following year, never having even seen a basket ,stressed out their wits and trained in cold n and n e winds ,,,nope youll never see them again ,,then the birds are blamed, if you must have latebreds [youll get some great ones for breeding at a fraction of the cost of early breds,bred from the best] but if you intend racing them , they must fly well fom 6 weeks old , there heart and muscles lungs etc have to form properly, they must be basket trained , they must have knowledge of the area with a few short tosses and really are better trained with the ybs in the summer, if they survive that theyll make cracking fresh 2y olds ,a lot of bother,but theres been many a champion, been a late bred .

[kev01293]

some of my latebreds had really bad feathering and were small for their age,also some seemed unpredictable/nervous and most were lost off of the loft as squeekers which is not something that usually happens to me,as a novice i cant understand how them being latebreds can make such a vast difference to their feather quality and temperement ,they were the same way bred as my last youngsters and had the same feed and supplements but just didnt seem to be the same,my latebreds should have been in my friends loft sooner rather than later but circumstances prevented this happening,how the remaining latebreds come on in my friends loft remains to be seen

                                                   kev :-/                    

[pigeonscout]

I think it is all about training, If you are going to breed a late round do it in September 7 mounts before the first old bird race. They will be like darken young birds going though the body molt then stop because the days are short. They must be trained every chance you get as good days are hard to find at that time of year.  You will get the first 4 or 5 old bird races out of them before they start to molt the flights. This is a good system if you need more numbers in your old bird team because of smash.  If you do not have the time to train these birds as you would a young bird team then forget about it you will be wasting your time.

Can they fly as fast as old birds? well when you have trained this year young birds and about a week before the first young bird race take some of your old bird team training with the young birds 25 mile + toss and see what comes first.

[Guest]

I'm not sure I understood your post correctly, Pigeonscout, but must admit a question on training yearling latebreds with young birds did spring to mind?

 

Training yearling latebreds with young birds, do they come home together or is it a case of yearling latebreds come home first and young birds later having gone for a tour?