ETS

[Pompey Mick]

Where is there equality in pigeon racing ?  I'll tell you, nowhere.

ETS is just another area where there will be shouts of not fair!

I am away at work on average 12hrs a day and I compete against many who are with their pigeons 24hrs a day, is that fair?

I compete against members who can and do breed as many young birds as they want up against my 20+, is that fair.

I know many fellow fanciers who have bottomless money pits when it comes to acquiring top class pigeons to race, when I can only afford to splash out on the occasional breeding introduction, is that fair?

All you can do is endeavor to compete the best you can with the hand you have been dealt, and when and if it comes ,success is that much sweeter.

[Guest]

I dont think the big problem is is it fair or unfair i have heard the statement do you realy want to take a place (say)6th when you were raely 26th but so and so didnt put all his birds in the ans for me is NO! but please remember that some fanciers are quite pleased with that thease are the people ets will chase out of our sport the back bone of most clubs and also the workers in most cases

[Guest]

I think you have a very valid point Fifer and as chairman of my club i think i would be correct not to accept the proposal only to be able to time 4 birds that count now remember it was the ets pushers that have brought to light peoples (civil rights !!!!!) so if you accept the birdage /pool money etc. they are under starters orders as far as iam concerned and must be able to count you cant just have a rule for somethings and non for others but what the hell lets just sicken all the good guys and leave all the big money men to clear upthats where we are heading civil rights gon mad we just lost control of our sport SAD!!!!

[Roland]

Frank as mostly I agree with you. Now Pigeons is not a Sports (Cage Birds) and as such there is and can't be discrimnation.

However, if a disabled person now wants to join a club, I am afraid he will be discriminated against, because he won't get in. Our club said last Friday said, 'If it means starting a 'Manual Clock Club' only then so beit!

Then the Pro ET sa 'You will soon change your mind when your behind in the Fed' - true colours showing I guess. Answer there is I don't thing our Fed is going to have ET's! May well be a few break away clubs - that would be another sad consequent!

[THE FIFER]

this happened in scotland people said if someone uses that ets system they would pack the doos in it never happened

 

the oppisite in fact now more people are getting the system and the people who dont want it carry on as before

 

 

they did'nt pack the birds in they went with the rpra??????

 

 

[Guest]

Fifer keep telling yourselfs that that was the reason we left the shu and maybe some day you and some others will beleive it but we know the real reason it was the threats of lawyers letters for not allowing the dictators to get their own way and if i remember correctly you were one who ran to the front of the stage with one at the Motherwell meeting so at least you are now showing your true colours but this post is about ets and i only stated my views on it surely iam entitled to that or will this be another post/thread moved? and i will not be leaving the sport because of it i will just set out to beat them its not me iam worried about its some others that cant afford it and are maybe not the most prolific fanciers but they are the backbone of most clubs! they will go.

[Guest]

I think this thread is throwing up the same sad arguments over and over again and takes no notice of recent developments in Scotland.

 

Cost ... isn't an issue. Advantage / Disadvantage ... isn't an issue. Clubs can and have applied successfully for a grant to equip all its club members.  

 

Again, personal opinion, but to talk about clubs disbanding and 'no ETS here' is basically dictatorship ... you cannot do that with a Union approved clock, and if your continued prattle about disabled and discrimination ever hits the press, well well done for bringing the rest of us sportspeople down to your own sad-ass levels.

[Ian McKay]

GO on Bruno CHOP it you are chopping everything else if it does not suit YOU

[T_T]

Bruno,

            Just yesterday I was fortunate enough to have an ETS system bought for me and OK I'm sure your'e right in saying that clubs can apply for grants with possibly a favourable outcome but regarding your comments on cost not being an issue, I think it will ALWAYS be an issue to those pigeon people ( and I'm sure there are quite a few ) who genuinely can't afford the luxurys of life and I think ETS is a luxury.  People just hav'nt got the cash to throw about and should they try to keep up with the Jones's other things begin to suffer.  That of course is only my opinion.

[Williedoo]

 

ETS,saves time at home and at the club,and I am not speaking about the timing of the oigeons.

You basket your birds at home and do not have to write ring numbers down on a race sheet. You go to the club put your birds away and the system prints two race sheets one for you and one for the club with no mistakes made.

The birds are timed in for you (whether you are there or not) you go down to the club put your clock in the base station and you and your club get a copy of your velocities.

Saves time all round.

When I first heard of ETS in Scotland my first thoughts were,I will never get one of those now I think its the Bees Nees Or the Dogs Bits.

[Guest]

Bruno,

            Just yesterday I was fortunate enough to have an ETS system bought for me and OK I'm sure your'e right in saying that clubs can apply for grants with possibly a favourable outcome but regarding your comments on cost not being an issue, I think it will ALWAYS be an issue to those pigeon people ( and I'm sure there are quite a few ) who genuinely can't afford the luxurys of life and I think ETS is a luxury.  People just hav'nt got the cash to throw about and should they try to keep up with the Jones's other things begin to suffer.  That of course is only my opinion.

 

Think you may have misunderstood me; cost isn't an issue when the whole club is kitted out with a lottery grant. This kit belongs to the club and new and old members get supplied free. My biggest outlay starting back was a new quartz STB and I wasn't able to pay the £300 for it upfront.

[Guest]

I have heard members of clubs saying ' we will have a rule where you cant use it' i have seen on here 'start a Manual clock club up' surley if it is a RPRA rule stating that ETS can be used no club rules etc can overide a RPRA rule? or am i worng?

[gangster]

I have heard members of clubs saying ' we will have a rule where you cant use it' i have seen on here 'start a Manual clock club up' surley if it is a RPRA rule stating that ETS can be used no club rules etc can overide a RPRA rule? or am i worng?

 

I DONT THINK YOU CAN OVERIDE AN RPRA RULING UNLESS YOU APPEAL.............

[Ian McKay]

Hi Gangster

There are some poeple who think that they can start a non ETS club or vote not to have ETS.They think because they do not have over 25 members the rule from the disabled act does not apply to them. This is not so as long as they are members of a union which has more than 25 members the rule applies. The union will have to deal with it as they are the governing body the only option the union will have is to suspend the club.

Bet this gets a lot of replies?

[gangster]

QUITE POSSIBLY IF BRUNO DONT BIN IT 1ST IAN............

[nipper]

Whether you have ETS or not,The people who were winning the averages ect over the last few years will still be winning the averages .Not because of ETS , but  because they know how to fly pigeons !! The pigeon hasnt got a clue that it has an ETS ring on its leg ,all it wants to do is get back inside the loft . Getting the bird right on the day is more important than ANY clocking system .The continentals and Americans use them all the time without any of this bull****,and in a couple of years time there wont be much moaning over here either .

                COST ! still at school ,difficult . so you cut your teeth on a manual clock and if you still want race pigeons ,you buy an ETS system when you start working .( show me young lad that doesnt drink more than 4 or 5 times that in a year ! )

 

                We all know people who buy birds EVERY year !, save your money and buy a new clock .

 

                You play the game to the level you can afford ! That applies to every sport where you have to buy equipment ,pigeon racing is no different .

 

                 The other thing about every sport is that you will always get the ones who will find something to gripe about .

                 ETS wont finnish this sport ! Politics probably will !

[Pompey Mick]

If our Club doesn't get a grant I won't be buying one YET. Flying open door widowhood I'm not that keen on the birds having to go through an opening, especially if they're together. Club-wise, looking at results over the last couple of seasons ETS would have only POSSIBLY made a difference in a couple of races. However if we do get a grant I will give it a go, even if it means 'swiping' the birds manually on their return.

[Roland]

Don't for a moment think a Discriminating Act can apply to Cage Birds! And can see why a Fed or what ever can't  just drop out of the RPRA! Look at the SHU / RPRA etc. etc.

And a act of discrimination can't be imposed if it causes hardship or is DISCRIMINATING against others surely!

[Roundo]

Whether you have ETS or not,The people who were winning the averages ect over the last few years will still be winning the averages .Not because of ETS , but  because they know how to fly pigeons !! The pigeon hasnt got a clue that it has an ETS ring on its leg ,all it wants to do is get back inside the loft . Getting the bird right on the day is more important than ANY clocking system .The continentals and Americans use them all the time without any of this bull****,and in a couple of years time there wont be much moaning over here either .

                COST ! still at school ,difficult . so you cut your teeth on a manual clock and if you still want race pigeons ,you buy an ETS system when you start working .( show me young lad that doesnt drink more than 4 or 5 times that in a year ! )

 

                We all know people who buy birds EVERY year !, save your money and buy a new clock .

 

                You play the game to the level you can afford ! That applies to every sport where you have to buy equipment ,pigeon racing is no different .

 

                 The other thing about every sport is that you will always get the ones who will find something to gripe about .

                 ETS wont finnish this sport ! Politics probably will !

 

Nipper,

 

I couldn't have put it any better myself.........well said.

 

 

Cheers,

Roundo.

[nipper]

Thankyou  Roundo

[gangster]

WELL SAID NIPPER...................BEEN TELLING THEM THIS FOR WEEKS..........

[ticeye]

Bruno,

            Just yesterday I was fortunate enough to have an ETS system bought for me and OK I'm sure your'e right in saying that clubs can apply for grants with possibly a favourable outcome but regarding your comments on cost not being an issue, I think it will ALWAYS be an issue to those pigeon people ( and I'm sure there are quite a few ) who genuinely can't afford the luxurys of life and I think ETS is a luxury.  People just hav'nt got the cash to throw about and should they try to keep up with the Jones's other things begin to suffer.  That of course is only my opinion.

 

the clubs in england scotland and wales are lucky that they can apply for grants

for the timing systems as we in n.ireland cannotdo so

how many fanciers say they cannot afford the ets but continue to smoke and drink

i am getting incompacity benifit as i am unable to work due to bad health i do not smoke or drink(did so in the past give both up so i could restart in the fancy)

so anyone who smokes and drinks was to cut back on their spending on these they could afford anything they wanted ie ets better birds ect

[Guest]

 

the clubs in england scotland and wales are lucky that they can apply for grants

for the timing systems as we in n.ireland cannotdo so

how many fanciers say they cannot afford the ets but continue to smoke and drink

i am getting incompacity benifit as i am unable to work due to bad health i do not smoke or drink(did so in the past give both up so i could restart in the fancy)

so anyone who smokes and drinks was to cut back on their spending on these they could afford anything they wanted ie ets better birds ect

 

Take your point, when our club champion tried to coax me into buying a system a few years back when it cost £500, that was exactly my own response: 'If I had that kind of money to spare, I'd be spending it on buying better birds.'

 

According to this website, there is an Awards for All scheme in NI & you can apply same as us. Or is there something else you haven't told us?

 

http://www.awardsforall.org.uk/northernireland/index.html

[ticeye]

 

Take your point, when our club champion tried to coax me into buying a system a few years back when it cost £500, that was exactly my own response: 'If I had that kind of money to spare, I'd be spending it on buying better birds.'

 

According to this website, there is an Awards for All scheme in NI & you can apply same as us. Or is there something else you haven't told us?

 

http://www.awardsforall.org.uk/northernireland/index.html

 

when you get this weeks bhw read n.ireland notes by adie and you will see that there is different rules regarding grants for pigeon racing in n.ireland or click onto

elimar site and you can read it there

[Guest]

Whether you have ETS or not,The people who were winning the averages ect over the last few years will still be winning the averages .Not because of ETS , but  because they know how to fly pigeons !! The pigeon hasnt got a clue that it has an ETS ring on its leg ,all it wants to do is get back inside the loft . Getting the bird right on the day is more important than ANY clocking system .The continentals and Americans use them all the time without any of this bull****,and in a couple of years time there wont be much moaning over here either .

                COST ! still at school ,difficult . so you cut your teeth on a manual clock and if you still want race pigeons ,you buy an ETS system when you start working .( show me young lad that doesnt drink more than 4 or 5 times that in a year ! )

 

                We all know people who buy birds EVERY year !, save your money and buy a new clock .

 

                You play the game to the level you can afford ! That applies to every sport where you have to buy equipment ,pigeon racing is no different .

 

                 The other thing about every sport is that you will always get the ones who will find something to gripe about .

                 ETS wont finnish this sport ! Politics probably will !

 

Wham Bang, You've hit the nail on the head, well said. I think you speak for at least 90% of the fancy with that statement. One fancier said to me today, 'i've just bought a new T3, should have looked at ets.' Look I said, when your been beaten by seconds in racing, then think about looking at them, until then concentate on getting them to that level and dont worry about ETS'