ETS

[Guest Vic]

I have just been talking to an authoritive  figure within the RPRA, who assures me, that unless a club has 25 members or more, the usage of the ETS cannot be enforced. IS THIS TRUE? Vic. :-/

[THE FIFER]

I have just been talking to an authoritive  figure within the RPRA, who assures me, that unless a club has 25 members or more, the usage of the ETS cannot be enforced. IS THIS TRUE? Vic. :-/

 

 

will have to wait until they bring out their rules, but personally could'nt see this being so,

 

 

[Guest]

Think maybe looking at it from wrong perspective, Vic.  

 

Nobody is forcing anyone to use ETS; what was being forced previously was its non-use.

[Guest Vic]

Whether one or two members (may I add) have disabilities or not. It don't make sense to me. What think you?

[ALF]

USING ETS IS TOTALLY VOLUNTARY VIC!!!

[Ronnie]

Well it aint voluntary round my way the local clubs WONT allow anyone to use it unless there disabled.

[Guest]

I think there may be a bit of confusion here caused by a recent post saying something like only applies to clubs with a minimum of 35? members.

 

 

There's two bits to the DDA:-

 

From 1 October 1999, service providers have had to make "reasonable adjustments" for disabled people, such as providing extra help or making changes to the way they provide their services

 

 

My opinion is it is compliance with this part that ETS has been sanctioned by RPRA.

 

It is intended that, from 2004 , service providers will also have to make "reasonable adjustments" to the physical features of their premises

 

My opinion is that it is this part that the recent post referred to, putting in ramps etc.

 

Know that it may be costly, but even able bodied fanciers would find it easier carrying and barrowing baskets of pigeons up or down a ramp, than carrying baskets up or down stairs.

[Guest Vic]

Some local clubs , I have heard, have already voted against the usage of ets. Which I am led to believe, they can do, if membership is below 25.

[me]

ETS being brought in has nothing to do with the amendments to the act it was just used as a convenient excuse.

 

Nowhere in the act does it say you have to change the rules of established sports and hobbies.

 

Plus the number you are looking for Vic is 30. Clubs with less than 30 members are specifically excluded from the terms of the act. But this was meant in terms of access ,toilets etc. Put it another way how many Scottish clubs who have applied for lottery grant money have used it to provide the disabled with equal access to their local pigeon club?

 

There is no prize for getting the answer to this question right by the way!!

[Guest jason]

Some local clubs , I have heard, have already voted against the usage of ets. Which I am led to believe, they can do, if membership is below 25.

 

We are having a vote on it at our club, theres only 10 members but 7 of them said they will be voting against, so I don't think our club will be using it.

 

Jason

[gangster]

  SORRY BUT IF I DECIDE TO BUY IT IM STILL THINKING ......THEN IF IM PAYIN I IS USING IT. BUT REMBER AS ALWAYS I GOTTA GET THEM HOME SO AS I KEEP SAYING IT AINT THE CLOCK WHATS FLYING NOW IS IT...........

[tubbles]

I can't see this being true because if you race in  a federation that has some clubs with MORE than 25 members, Them members will be able to use it and this would give them an unfair advantage. This is just my understanding but if someone in the federation has it then all members should be able to have it.

 

I also side with Gangsta because if I was to buy the ETS then it would need to be a very well worded rule to STOP me using it as te RPRA would surely overrule any club rule.

[THE FIFER]

i dont see the rpra passing the use of ets for anything else other than for all who want to use it.

[Guest jason]

  SORRY BUT IF I DECIDE TO BUY IT IM STILL THINKING ......THEN IF IM PAYIN I IS USING IT. BUT REMBER AS ALWAYS I GOTTA GET THEM HOME SO AS I KEEP SAYING IT AINT THE CLOCK WHATS FLYING NOW IS IT...........

 

true, the only flying my clocks ever done is down garden path when my neighbour times in before me lol. ;D

 

Jason

[me]

I can't see this being true because if you race in  a federation that has some clubs with MORE than 25 members, Them members will be able to use it and this would give them an unfair advantage. This is just my understanding but if someone in the federation has it then all members should be able to have it.

 

I also side with Gangsta because if I was to buy the ETS then it would need to be a very well worded rule to STOP me using it as te RPRA would surely overrule any club rule.

 

 

Federations or associations are not mentioned tubby mate its "clubs" that are specifically mentioned and as I said before it is clear the amendments are aimed at access and facilities.

 

welcome to the hell that is ets all the best hope the rpra and the rest of the english organisations do not have too big a split because of this!!

 

[Poacher]

I think you are all missing the point here, the RPRA have approved ETS for all, so no club, fed or National Official can say you can not use it, t would be like telling some one they cant use a T3 or and STB.

 

Come on people get real its 2007 not 1907............

[Guest]

I agree with you Poacher but find it unfortunate that someone within the RPRA management has seen fit to undermine his/her own Organisation rules and confuse things further by saying what he/she said to Vic, and what has since become the subject of this thread.

 

RPRA have authorised the use of ETS clock and if members choose to use it for whatever reason, then it doesn't make sense that clubs should attempt to stop them.

[me]

I agree with you Poacher but find it unfortunate that someone within the RPRA management has seen fit to undermine his/her own Organisation rules and confuse things further by saying what he/she said to Vic, and what has since become the subject of this thread.

 

RPRA have authorised the use of ETS clock and if members choose to use it for whatever reason, then it doesn't make sense that clubs should attempt to stop them.

 

 

you ain't going to beleive this Bruno but I agree with you and Poacher but if clubs can split and reform to exclude guys that fly better doos than they do ( which happens every single year without anything been done about it), they will certainly do it to exclude individuals who thay see as pains in the ass for wanting to use ets

 

[frank-123]

this happened in scotland people said if someone uses that ets system they would pack the doos in it never happened

 

the oppisite in fact now more people are getting the system and the people who dont want it carry on as before

 

 

[me]

this happened in scotland people said if someone uses that ets system they would pack the doos in it never happened

 

the oppisite in fact now more people are getting the system and the people who dont want it carry on as before

 

 

I can honestly say I never heard anyone say they would pack it in. Funnily enough I think the duplicitous way the system was brought in and allowed to be used without any rules whatsoever and the way ordinary members were denied their democratic right of a vote was what caused the trouble in Scotland. It appears  Peter has not learned from the lesson he could have had for free from up here.

 

Using the disabled as an excuse for your actions is inexcusable. I say this as someone who has family members who are disabled!

 

[ticeye]

 

clubs cannot make a rule to over rule a rpra one

fanciers did not shout when the printers came in use against the toulet

it depends who was reading your toulet whether you lost 2-3 secs now with the t3s

which do not vary the toulet user is losing out again

as for the ets it seams to me it is the sprint men who are doing the complaining

as when it comes to the distance it will make no difference

as for saying to have none ets clubs they will not do very well in the fed and combine results against others using ets

what are you going to do when the nationals start ? not send

[pigeonscout]

I think you are all missing the point here, the RPRA have approved ETS for all, so no club, fed or National Official can say you can not use it, t would be like telling some one they cant use a T3 or and STB.

 

Come on people get real its 2007 not 1907............

 

I agree with you 100% If I pay my dues to the rpra then I want to be able to race under the same rules as any other member. You cannot have a rule for one member and another rule for another member. If my club takes a vote and decides not to use ETS that will not stop me using it. Clubs can make what is called domestic rules but them rules can overturn an rpra rule. If this was allowed then a club could make rules letting members race mark their own birds and set their own clocks. People are clutching at straws hoping that their club will stop members using ETS now that it is passed by the rpra. For a club to make the decision not to let its members use ETS would create a situation where a club could ignore rpra rules and just fly under their own rules. How could you have an open result if all the clubs were playing under different rules?

ETS is here face it and move on.

[Guest]

 

Using the disabled as an excuse for your actions is inexcusable. I say this as someone who has family members who are disabled!

 

Agree with you Me; Bring ETS in under DDA and what happens, everybody is now looking to DDA to see a way round it. Bad move. If ever anything could backfire badly on pigeon people, then that's it.

 

ETS is a clocking system and there was nothing preventing its use. RPRA should have gone straight down the middle: just another clock.

 

 

[pigeonscout]

Race marking is faster, timing is faster, getting the result is faster, It will continue recording the birds that have came home when I have left for the club, It can send a text message to my mobile phone letting me know what time the birds got home from training toss or race. Why should I use an old clocking system when there is a new faster better one. How many of you reading this go to work on a horse and cart? If you do not like change why are you sitting at a computer and paying to surf the Internet. A lot of people do not want to pay for ETS and the same people do not want someone else to have the advantage of ETS so what do they do? Try and stop other people using it. If every member was getting ETS for free there would be very few members against it.

[Guest]

Pigeonscout, as you know there is a way to get the ETS system free for the club, but some seem to be spending all their time & interest in making sure others don't get the system at all: waste of time & energies (misspent) perhaps?