What to do!!

[Guest]

Well how crap are these east winds. I have been holding back my channel team until begining of may to wait for the good weather and start them off slowly for the long ones.

 

I notice that for at least the next week it's gonna stay strong north east winds which is blooming typical. I have to get them started now to be ready in two weeks they have not been anywhere apart from flying exceptionally well around the loft for 2+hours a day.

 

I took the birds for first toss this morning and libbed in 3 batches, got home and only 3 cocks from 1st batch, the batch of 11 hens I let go next where all home in one go my mum said and the 3rd batch not a feather. I then started getting 1's and 2's for a couple of hours culminating in 4 cocks and 2 hens still missing from 59 birds. They don't look tired as they are obviously fit but I certainly don't want to do that every day.

 

Everyone says don't liberate in east winds but when they are here to stay for a while what can I do. Do east winds really hurt the birds as much as they say or is it just gonna make em work a bit harder.

 

 

[Roland]

Well you will learn mucker... only season birds normally 'Tolerate' cold winds, let alone any East.

The wiley ole boys nodd knowingly with a wink and say 'East in Wind', they won't even train.

Now if your birds are 'Loft Fit' and bouncing about, what is the problem... you relating to 'Humans' and thinking that they can't/ won't do 250 miles etc. first chuck! Tell you what have a 2/3 year old hen sitting tight  on 14 day eggs, and 1st chuck at 250 will take all the beatings. Golly known  folks where their first chuck is Pau and they have done well.

Many have y/b's tha have won a first race / chuck and that is even Berwick 260 miles and dominate the Federation! Like Alan Bland, had 6 youngsters to start him of.... never had time to train, even clean out hardly, and rather than cull sent the 6 to Berwicke 260 miles first 5 club - only 5 made it into the clock, and won the fed, all in top 10. Terry Linnel, I took his pair 40 miles North 1st chuck - young birds again - for him to enter them at Northallerton 150 miles. He sent them South instead to Seaton... 1st 2nd club, and 1st 2nd Upper Thames Federation.... and you are worried about old birds eh! Faint heart never ***** fair pig mucker.

[Guest]

Thanks roland to be honest the only reason I wanted to give them a couple of chucks is cause I never raced the yearlings as babies last year. Who is the confidence for me or them.

[stevebelbin]

I would say east winds do hurt them!! I sent 8cocks 156miles for their first race on sat, on the night I didnt have a yearling and was a 5 year old cock down. Got two yearlings the next day but still no sign of the third one or the 5 year old cock. The yearling had an excuse, it was its first race and only the 3rd time it had ever been in the basket, but the 5year old, I would have bet my life on him being my first bird home, as he's won twice and scored loads of times. East winds are not good anyone and anything lol!!! But they had to go or the jump would be even worse for them next week.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I send my birds to races irrespective of the wind that is forecasted, Saturdays race was an east wind, which was forecasted, sent 20 yearlings , all home without any problems, my birds are trained hard and go whatever the wind, I have heard the same sayings for years about east winds being no good, but have always wondered what the difference is to the birds if they are in a 20 mile per hour east wind or in a 20 mile per hour west wind, what difference does this make to the birds, I don't know if it makes a difference , does anybody know for sure if it makes a difference

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Thanks roland to be honest the only reason I wanted to give them a couple of chucks is cause I never raced the yearlings as babies last year. Who is the confidence for me or them.

 

for you I think Darran

[jimmy white]

worst thing in the world for seeping the fuel out of yearlings,    best way ,, patience, theyll soon pass   :) [the east winds i mean :) ] and the yearlings will last longer and go further,,

[stevebelbin]

I send my birds to races irrespective of the wind that is forecasted, Saturdays race was an east wind, which was forecasted, sent 20 yearlings , all home without any problems, my birds are trained hard and go whatever the wind, I have heard the same sayings for years about east winds being no good, but have always wondered what the difference is to the birds if they are in a 20 mile per hour east wind or in a 20 mile per hour west wind, what difference does this make to the birds, I don't know if it makes a difference , does anybody know for sure if it makes a difference

 

Get your bike out and go riding in an east wind and you will see the difference, East winds are generally bloody freezing and when thats hitting you in the face its a bloody nightmare lol lol

 

 

[Guest]

Thanks guys, I've been patient up till now one more week isn't gonna hurt me. They are parted anyway till the end of may then they are repairing for Pau etc so even if I don't get the basket training in till then I can hop them into some shorter races. Then hens are doing two hours flat at home at the mo and the cocks are out an hour in the morning and two hours at night.

 

Like you say "Patience".

[Guest]

I'm not so sure that the unexpected poor show wasn't so much to do with the wind and maybe typical 'cobwebs' of a teams' first trainer of the season?

 

Winds forecast all this week as 1 high & 2 low pressure systems battle it out around British Isles but at least it will remain dry & sunny. Think it's helpful to acclimatise them for expected weather on race day, so another trainer in the prevailing wind and hopefully they'll come as you expect them to?

 

Good luck with your preparations & race.  

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

I send my birds to races irrespective of the wind that is forecasted, Saturdays race was an east wind, which was forecasted, sent 20 yearlings , all home without any problems, my birds are trained hard and go whatever the wind, I have heard the same sayings for years about east winds being no good, but have always wondered what the difference is to the birds if they are in a 20 mile per hour east wind or in a 20 mile per hour west wind, what difference does this make to the birds, I don't know if it makes a difference , does anybody know for sure if it makes a difference

ask alf his heed was freezing :-/

 

[swilcox]

The days of West South West for 10 of the 12 racing weekends in an old bird season have well and truly gone so i suggest you educate your birds to handle easterly winds and hopefully excel in them!!!!!!

 

 

Stuart

[Guest]

When I first started in pigeons I only knew one fancier,a lovely old guy who had raced all his life and he was very kind and generous.The only problem was that whenever something went wrong his answer was always the same ..that'll be the east wind and according to him every disaster known to man kind is caused by the east wind.It does'nt matter what the problem coxi,canker,bad breeding season,tsunami,9 11....it's all down to the east wind and it has consequently become a joke in our house,even if the telly won't work...it's that east wind.

[Guest]

lol

[Guest]

Cheers for the replies, got them all back now and to be honest I put a bath out for the cocks tonight and I just looked out the window and they are all spread out across the sky. Can't have done them too much harm but I want to give them the best chance possible of performing at the distance this year!

To be honest Rose the hens I sent to the BICC this week had about 5 short tosses pre season starting, then just in the club weekly got them no trouble so does make you wonder!

[peterpau]

Train 'em hard and often Darren it'll do your confidence loads o' good.

As for the birds it'll do bugger all.

[Guest]

Thanks Peter!

[Guest WINGS 04]

IS THE EAST WIND ONLY BAD IF YOU ARE RACING IN TO IT AS WE ARE IN THE WEST SO IT SHOULD BE A TAIL WIND FOR OUR BIRDS

[Roland]

The days of West South West for 10 of the 12 racing weekends in an old bird season have well and truly gone so i suggest you educate your birds to handle easterly winds and hopefully excel in them!!!!!!

 

 

Stuart

 

Sorry Stu it ain't never going nto happen!

[Roland]

Stand at the end of a alley way!! Watch your birds fly when circuling around the loft!!!! SEE how they lose speed aETC. when and how the WIND is when they hit it!!! Now if one can't understand that, then simple they are brain dead or liars, who wish not to see ir.... BUTR tat doesn't in reality change one IOTA the facts.... WIND is the essences of winning, to sy otherwise is not a myth... but a lie!"!!

[THE FIFER]

I send my birds to races irrespective of the wind that is forecasted, Saturdays race was an east wind, which was forecasted, sent 20 yearlings , all home without any problems, my birds are trained hard and go whatever the wind, I have heard the same sayings for years about east winds being no good, but have always wondered what the difference is to the birds if they are in a 20 mile per hour east wind or in a 20 mile per hour west wind, what difference does this make to the birds, I don't know if it makes a difference , does anybody know for sure if it makes a difference

 

 

 

i think what they say about an east wind is that its colder. but i dont think it should bother old birds very much

 

[Roland]

AHHH but ewhat about yerlings ... I think you misunderstand the realistic fact hat YEARLINGS hate it.... and will be lost and older seasons birds will endure... at a price. A simple realistic fact that ha been proven time after time ... if one is open to the realistic facts that is!!!!!!

[Roland]

Simple reality is that the birds will fly 250 ilers first chuck... why p*ss them off with the cold winds THAT every body with an oune of sense knows that cold winds means losing good birds, let alone an cold east wind. There I have stated the fact... and be big, clever and argue at your peril... iut is fact ... so lose your NEXT years nest and say 'How clever am I'' PLONKERS

[Roland]

I only sent 6 this last week - end, all old seasoned birds and got six... because I was bored etc. BUT racing won't start till the sun is on the yearling's back... and the 'Natura' flyers get the distance and hard days' simple bur true!!! Even I as nissed as a Pewt knows that... and so should every one that has flown a pigeon"!!!!

[Roland]

Golly was I that nissed lol.... must stay away when on trhe amber nectar lol.

Any Darren, am send a hen, two chucks this week of 25 miles and straight in at Scotch Corner, just over the 200 miles. I expect her  to be first bird back.... and sending 4/5 old cock birds as well. Will let you know how she fares.