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[Pompey Mick]

Many of you will I am sure already know that in the great French tradition, the French federation has announced that they intend to ignore the French pigeon racing ban as a protest and recommence racing.  Clearly it is too early to consider the implications of this and in any case DEFRA is a different kettle of fish.

 

 

 

However, at their meeting yesterday the RPRA President and Vice Presidents unanimously decided that all members of Council were to be canvassed with a view to seeking legal advice on whether any challenge to the DEFRA would be likely to succeed.  I will advise the outcome of this next week.

 

 

 

In the meantime, there is no change to the situation with regards to racing and the current DEFRA ban on racing only within the UK.  The President and Vice Presidents do not consider that we should enflame the situation unless and until we seek constructive legal advice as to our position.

 

Regards

 

 

 

Peter Bryant

 

General Manager

 

The Royal Pigeon Racing Association

 

The Reddings

 

 

 

[Guest]

Deja Vu

[Bilco]

I imagine their second word would be "Korf"

[Bilco]

I can smell it coming. One tight arsed little git, chock full of his own importance, is going to have a fit when he sees and hears that La Federation Francaise is racing and ignoring "The Rules", and he is going to order that all the pigeons at a particular site, or lib point, should be destroyed,  Just watch it happen!   THEN stand by for blasting.   Oh to be a fly on the wall when it happens.

[Guest]

From the main avian flu board, dated 25th August 2005:-

 

I think the important sections here are "that pigeons are resistant to avian influenza viruses and have not been a reservoir or vector of the virus" and "Columbiformes and passerines are not reservoirs and they are rarely incidental hosts."

 

If this is right and can be proved to DEFRA and SERAD then we should have nothing to fear. However, someone in the RPRA or SHU should be making moves on this at the moment to ensure that our sport is protected.

 

Well here we are nearly two years later, and still no-one in RPRA or SHU maiking any moves. Thank goodness for BICC and French fanciers.

[Bilco]

I think Iain that DEFRA are very well aware that our birds pose no problems, and I feel sure that their Veterinary department at Weybridge/Tolworth will have advised them of all the many tests that have been carried out without effect on Pigeons, world wide.  They are just being "Safe rather than sorry" about the problem, and do not intend giving an inch in case they are kicked for it in the event that things went wrong.  This is why we MUST pursue a challenge on their authority, and sue them for restitution of our sporting rights and privileges.  Human Rights are important items with the EU, they place a lot of store on our freedoms.

[johno]

find it somewhat hypocritical when moderators are openly advocating breaking the law by ignoring defra therefore the law. strange they then feel the need to remove posts from this open forum quoting the possibility of breaking the libel / slander laws. hypocricy at its worst

[Ronnie]

I think what will eventually happen is someone will sue defra for human rights issue's after they get fed up waiting for the rpra to do something.Then the Rpra will jump on the band wagon and sue defra themselves(providing the first case wins)Then spout some nonsense about allway's wanting to take this course of action.I think its a shame the way we British people let everyone walk all over us.The french may be many thing's but at least the common people stick together when needed.

[Roland]

Unlike France we have, and have had for centuaries, the finest 'Marshall Law' evr. and it has, and does work exceptionally well for the Goverment. and many other concerns etc. etc. Indeed we spout about our Freedoms etc. But in realitythat is allowed as long as we are cowed.

[expat1]

Yes Roland

But only those who wish to be cowed down, Its well time the fanciers reacted against these jumped up little men in white collars and fight back. Okay they may not beat them but it can bbe made very difficult for them If it should go to the European Court they will have to provide evedence that pigeons are Carriers and a Threat to Other Wildlife Chickens etc and Humans, We too will have to provide the same to say they are not but the Way it has happened up to now the fancier has a good as chance as Defra of doing that

Its not possible tfor the Fanciers in Britain, Scotland Wales and Ireland to say Bugger off we are going over to france regardless because they would not be allowed on board the Ferries

The french just load up and Drive thats the Big difference, But to sit on ones back end any more without putting up some resitance is becoming intoerable for the fanciers in Britain

Steve expat1

[johno]

rose you are failing to read the post. i said advocating breaking the rules. i do not understand why those on the forum who are spouting vigilanty type resistance do not go immediatly to the front line. it is easy to make suggestions as to what should happen. this mad attempt at rousing up an illegal reaction is totally irresponsible and will only cause serious damage to the pigeon fancy. rose the only thing that is obvious is that nothing is obvious.

[expat1]

Johno

Are you saying that the Fanciers of Europe must not fight back against the Likes of Defra and Such in other countries, Would you have the fanciers Sit back and do nothiing.

Providing what they do is within the Laws of the Land then they have every right to take the likes of Defra to court

Its not viglante, its a democratic way of doing things, that is through the Law Courts

I myself have wrote three times to the KBDB since i lived in Belgium on excatly the same thing, Is that wrong of me to do so, should i bow my head and doff my Cap so to speak and just accept what i am given without putting up some resistance but within the laws of the Land

All i can say is i am glad i am me, and not yourself

expat1

[Guest]

JOHNO for the past couple of years the pigeon game has been shoutiong out for something like his to happen ,so why the negative feelings about it you think the goverment cares about pigeon racing ,we are just being made scapegoats soas defra looks good in the public eye as you well know ,come on lad be more possitive about it  johno ;D ;D

[Roland]

Yes Roland

But only those who wish to be cowed down, Its well time the fanciers reacted against these jumped up little men in white collars and fight back. Okay they may not beat them but it can bbe made very difficult for them If it should go to the European Court they will have to provide evedence that pigeons are Carriers and a Threat to Other Wildlife Chickens etc and Humans, We too will have to provide the same to say they are not but the Way it has happened up to now the fancier has a good as chance as Defra of doing that

Its not possible tfor the Fanciers in Britain, Scotland Wales and Ireland to say Bugger off we are going over to france regardless because they would not be allowed on board the Ferries

The french just load up and Drive thats the Big difference, But to sit on ones back end any more without putting up some resitance is becoming intoerable for the fanciers in Britain

Steve expat1

 

Yes Steve I am in total agreement with you.

 

 

 

[Guest]

Stakeholder meeting 6th July, 1st & last item was AI, firstly on continental europe  so 'first & only action' continental pigeon racing stopped, and lastly  AI vaccination and a curious 'not licensed for racing pigeons'. Strange one, completely at odds with DEFRAs previous 'no vaccination' stance so wondered if there is an end-game strategy here trying to force in AI vaccination of racing pigeons?

 

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/notifiable/disease/ai/pdf/stakeholdermtg060707.pdf

[me]

Johno

Are you saying that the Fanciers of Europe must not fight back against the Likes of Defra and Such in other countries, Would you have the fanciers Sit back and do nothiing.

Providing what they do is within the Laws of the Land then they have every right to take the likes of Defra to court

Its not viglante, its a democratic way of doing things, that is through the Law Courts

I myself have wrote three times to the KBDB since i lived in Belgium on excatly the same thing, Is that wrong of me to do so, should i bow my head and doff my Cap so to speak and just accept what i am given without putting up some resistance but within the laws of the Land

All i can say is i am glad i am me, and not yourself

expat1

 

 

For the life of "me" I just don't see the point of this post! Fairly meaningless puesdo emotional, impractical nonsense, in my opinion.

[expat1]

You Would think that way, And i am far from being emotional person quite the opposite, perhaps you think the same way as Johno

[Bilco]

What's illegal about mounting a legal challenge?  What's illegal about challenging authority?  That's how potential Dictators are prevented from being Dictators.  PS: Did you mean "Martial Law" Roland?  Cheers,

[Bilco]

Peter Fox says in answer to my request for clarification, that Liberations are now allowed in France, as of 10 p.m. tonight.   Something seems to have worked ! Good innit ?

[Bilco]

Funny . . . its gone all quiet.  LOL.

[Guest]

Not something that I've been involved in [so far   ] but French fanciers like many others have a right to peaceful protest. What form that protest takes is up to them.

 

We had something similar here many moons ago on Poll Tax. In addition to 'marches' certain factions withheld payment. In Britain at least, withholding payment is a recognised form of peaceful protest, provided you bank these payments pending outcome of the dispute.

[Guest]

See on that latest stakeholders report Peter Bryants representing the NPA wonder what happened to the RPRA :-/ ;D

 

Yes, saw that - a calculated insult getting who you represent wrong - No Pigeons Airborne ??    Maybe on different wavelength rightenough ;D  ;D  ;D

[Roland]

I did Bilco lol.... I looked back and thought 'Who's Marshall' lol