Sealing ETS pads

[Pompey Mick]

The RPRA ruling is quite clear, sealing is not mandatory. Anyone who has an antennae  fitted as per this rule is abiding by RPRA rules so how can they be diqualified?

 

241. The antennae of the ETS must be fitted within the confines of the loft or trapping systems, not underneath external landing boards. Club officials may make random checks at any time. Contravention of this rule will result in disciplinary action under rule 70A.

[Guest]

There's an explanation of the 'no seal' arrangement in VFTR BHW Aug 3rd, page 6: Location of ETS pads at the loft; (1) security of allotments [don't leave ETS equipment there] and (2) fanciers with big lofts wanting to move pad to another section.

[Guest]

 

Just checked on the members race arrival sheets for today nowhere does it record the serial number of the pad or pads on UNIKON or BRICON.

 

When you switch on the Unikon loft clock, it gives a visual read-out:

 

1 ring sensor OK.

 

I've only got one ring sensor pad, but assume from the read-out that the clock is 'talking' to the sensor pad, and identifies it in some way, possible only internally. If I added another pad I would expect the read-out : '2 ring sensor OK'. If I then removed 1 pad or 1 became defective [the clock couldn't detect it] I would assume an error message and pad number. Otherwise, how would the fancier be able to tell which pad is defective without actually testing each individual one with different rings?

[Pompey Mick]

Rose, The fact that it isn't asked for means that it is not mandatory, if the RPRA had thought it neccessary they would have put it in the rule.

[THE FIFER]

Hi bruno

We have not been instructed by anyone to record pad serial numbers

But my question is Does the clock record the pad serial number that the bird was timed in on?

If you have the UNIKON champ the loft base station is the clock that you take to clubhouse unless you purchase the POCKET clock as an extra

So the base station cannot be sealed

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

 

no they do not record the pad number, thats why they should be sealed into the loft, unikon pads have the holes already in them, u just need holes along side them on the loft to put the string through and seal. at both ends of the pad.

 

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

I read it bruno but if they only just decided on this clubs or feds could have bought  in their own ruling before,

Rose, I think you will find that the original rule (241) concerning the ETS pads was put the the RPRA rule book some months ago,there was never any mention of pads being sealed,I think Peter Bryant is just putting everyone straight on the actual ruling which as I said as been in the rule book for quite some time.  

[Pompey Mick]

If the clock does not record the pad serial number what point is there of sealing a pad in position if you can just plug another one in.

[PIGEON_MAN]

If the clock does not record the pad serial number what point is there of sealing a pad in position if you can just plug another one in.

 

Probably why the RPRA didn,t think it necessary to make it a rule.

[HOMER49]

If the clock does not record the pad serial number what point is there of sealing a pad in position if you can just plug another one in.

 

Hi Pompey Mick

You win the First Prize

Cheers

Homer 49

 

[Guest]

SHU Rule book quite clear on this, page 22, Rule 22: Sensor pads to be numbered & sealed in position.

 

My pad [and all the other pads in my club] is identified by its serial number, and the seal by its number. These are both recorded on a Fed document, signed by myself and my club Secy. when the pad was sealed in position inside my loft. Original retained by the club, and copy retained by me.

[PIGEON_MAN]

SHU Rule book quite clear on this, page 22, Rule 22: Sensor pads to be numbered & sealed in position.

 

My pad [and all the other pads in my club] is identified by its serial number, and the seal by its number. These are both recorded on a Fed document, signed by myself and my club Secy. when the pad was sealed in position inside my loft. Original retained by the club, and copy retained by me.

 

Understand tha SHU ruling on this but unless there is a club or fed official with you at the loft when you clock in nobody will know which pad you clocked in on or where the pad was situated,as Mick says if the clock doesn,t record the number of the pad(which it doesn,t) what is the point of sealing the pad in position when you could clock in on another pad which you could place anywhere as long as you could get the bird to pass over it

[PIGEON_MAN]

I believe club officials can come to your loft on a raceday anyway if they feel that something could be amiss,the ets clock is run for 24 hours same as any quartz clock to make sure it passes the test.

[Guest]

 

I think they can Tony not sure whether that wouldnt cause even more controversy think it would probably be bit awkward for most club officials unless they are willing to give up their days racing  :-/   Not up on clocks but with the 3 way test isnt that to prove its running properly how much it gains or loses ets is radio controlled isnt it so in theory should keep perfect time

 

(1) SHU ETS Rule 10 : 'Organisation Officials have the right to inspect trapping system used'.

 

(2) Don't know anything about the actual procedure, but member's ETS clocks are synchronised before the beginning of the season, 'corrected' against a radio signal? ETS is normally always correct clock - there is no variation.

[Guest]

Remember that any print-out contains only the info that the user-Organisation requested, so just because the pad serial number doesn't appear on the print-out doesn't mean that the clock doesn't record it.

 

Cannot believe that the clock doesn't know and recognise the pads that are attached to it.  After all that is a universal  software facility that every computer has which registers all the external hardware attached to the system, like mouse, keyboard, printer etc., and gives a full data description on every bit of kit the computer has access to, including internal kit.

[Guest]

Wonder why you couldnt have a radio controlled conventional clock

 

mines plays tay fm

[Guest]

 

is that because of the time you have to wait for your birds to come  ;D ;D ;D

;Dyes its a 7 day stb

[Guest]

Bit on TV last week that brought back a lot of memories of 'radio' - bands and 'noise'  - the pirate radio stations like Caroline, and the 'distant' stations like Luxemburg that you heard on the tranny, lucky if you heard around 10 seconds worth of music in a minute and half track.  

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

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(2) Don't know anything about the actual procedure, but member's ETS clocks are synchronised before the beginning of the season, 'corrected' against a radio signal? ETS is normally always correct clock - there is no variation.

 

Sorry to have to correct you on that one Bruno but there definatly is some variation in the clocks,my Bricon clock was 4 secs slow last week after being set correct the night before,we also have 4 Unikon clocks in the club and i would say that there as been a variation with at least 1 or more of them each week,but they were allways correct on the friday night.

[THE FIFER]

If the clock does not record the pad serial number what point is there of sealing a pad in position if you can just plug another one in.

 

 

u cant as the cable from the pad to connect to another pad is also sealed in,

 

 

[HOMER49]

 

 

u cant as the cable from the pad to connect to another pad is also sealed in,

 

Hi Fifer

Oh yes you can I have 2 extra pads . The base station is not sealed

Connect  up the 2 spare pads and away you go

You can also purchase a Y piece or a T junction for connecting extra pads

Sorry Fifer this can be done

Cheers

Homer 49