ETS

[barlbyloft]

what are your thoughts on ets timeing. what if somone in your club stated to use one and he or she was the only person and no one could tutch him coz he was useing ets,what would be your thoughts on this. especaily if you couldnt aford to buy one .

 

mark

[cricketer]

why would no one be able to catch someone becouse there using ets?

i think the anti brigade should look at the facts or should i say fact as the bottom line is this,THE BIRDS STILL HAVE TO GET FROM RACEPOINT TO LOFT,ETS DOSENT SUDDENLY MEAN THEY CAN GET TO THE LOFT QUICKER.

[barlbyloft]

yep agree with that. the reason im asking is in another club near to me one member is useing ets and some members are not happy about it coz he swept the floor with them. but i know this guy is a good flyer anyhow.but yeah true what you say if you can get your bird home fast you going to win ets or not thats what i think

[Roland]

why would no one be able to catch someone becouse there using ets?

i think the anti brigade should look at the facts or should i say fact as the bottom line is this,THE BIRDS STILL HAVE TO GET FROM RACEPOINT TO LOFT,ETS DOSENT SUDDENLY MEAN THEY CAN GET TO THE LOFT QUICKER.

 

Please stop talking silly and spouting crap scenario. If you take 17 seconds - a surveyed fact, for the average fancier to manual clocker, then the manual clocker's bird(s) could be a quarter of a mile behind ( at 1760 ypm), and if six dr0pped, then the manual clocker wouldn't even be on the time sheets. Fact, so what is so hard to understand in that?

 

20 birds hit the area together, regardless how quick the manual clocker is, he doesn't get a look in! FACT! Further NO ONE ha ever implied that a clock makes a pigeon faster, but with ET timing the chances of getting trap shay are nigh nil, whereas every week a manual clockers birds get more sceptical and often trap slower.

So it has never been suggested that a clock make the bird ly faster, but trap quicker each week than most manual clockers.

Simple really for any one interested in the truth that is!

There are great benefits and many great reasons for the ET to be employed by all .... but until it can be, it is very unfair - discrimatenly so TOO!, on those unable to hae one! Simple that!

[Roland]

Sorry a quarter of a mile IN front and still be no where.

[jimmy white]

why would no one be able to catch someone becouse there using ets?

i think the anti brigade should look at the facts or should i say fact as the bottom line is this,THE BIRDS STILL HAVE TO GET FROM RACEPOINT TO LOFT,ETS DOSENT SUDDENLY MEAN THEY CAN GET TO THE LOFT QUICKER.

i agree with cricketer  

with due respect   , for well trained pigeons to trap and be timed in manualy would never take me 17 secs a pigeon trapping straight on to a small landing board 6 inches broad ,dropping straight into a stall trap ,me standing right there , with the clock on a cord round my neck , i could time in ,in 5 secs ,,,prooved   trapping is part of the race   you must get the bird first ,and i am not for or against ets ,i would think this would be the least of my problems ,,getting the birds spot on ,would be my main aim  

[Roland]

Very true Jimmy... but many don't have even the T3, I myself, like 80 odd percent like of the clubs members in the clubs I am in. the 17 Seconds was from the survey commisioned by the RPRA just a few short years back.

I would be happy to give any manual clocker 17 sec, as by seasons ends of the shorter races, I would be gaining even then I feel. Besides, I am a sports minded person, and I don't want any little extra help. I'd rather everyone had it, or handicap 15 seconds the first bird and perhaps5 sec each bird after.

If tat don't happen I shalln't be having a ET. If it does then of course I will.

Then I may well just pack up and keep the birds in the garden.

But I can't see me flying next season if we manual  are discriminated against!

[Guest]

what happens when majority of people get ets will the minority be forced into getting it dont say it wont happen cause it will ,whats your thoughts

[jimmy white]

my thoughts are it will happen  ;D

[celtic]

Have to agree with jimmy, 17 seconds seems an awful long time, jimmy's five seconds is definetly closer to the truth, i would'nt know where they got the 17 seconds from,  which survey was this ?

[me]

Very true Jimmy... but many don't have even the T3, I myself, like 80 odd percent like of the clubs members in the clubs I am in. the 17 Seconds was from the survey commisioned by the RPRA just a few short years back.

I would be happy to give any manual clocker 17 sec, as by seasons ends of the shorter races, I would be gaining even then I feel. Besides, I am a sports minded person, and I don't want any little extra help. I'd rather everyone had it, or handicap 15 seconds the first bird and perhaps5 sec each bird after.

If tat don't happen I shalln't be having a ET. If it does then of course I will.

Then I may well just pack up and keep the birds in the garden.

But I can't see me flying next season if we manual  are discriminated against!

 

 

Would'nt argue with that Roland the current President of the Shu only a year or two back suggested 15 second was a fair and reasonable penalty for Ets clocks.

 

Guess he changed his mind?

 

[Ronnie]

I clocked my second and third bird within 4 seconds of each other this week on a Junior T3.

But at the end of the day i cant see the Rpra changing there mind about using ets nor can i see them puting a time penalty on it.So its either use it or not .17 seconds seem's an awfull lot of time to pick a bird up take off the rubber and put it in thimble and clock it.

[celtic]

Could have been worse ME , someone else in a position of power could have been making the decisions.

[me]

Could have been worse ME , someone else in a position of power could have been making the decisions.

 

 

Oh very cryptic I'm sure the mods will have no idea what you are on about!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

 

 

Would'nt argue with that Roland the current President of the Shu only a year or two back suggested 15 second was a fair and reasonable penalty for Ets clocks.

 

Guess he changed his mind?

 

The SHU letter on our club notice board said 5 seconds.

 

As with other posts, I'd like to know what RPRA measured to get its 17 seconds.

 

I've posted this before: we had an ets club member time an Inland National widowhood cock on his STB in the time before SNFC agreed ETS, and Hugh put the ets system on too; the difference in the two times was 8 seconds.

 

 

[THE FIFER]

the time put to the shu for the difference between timing by ets and conventional clocks was not by the shu president, about 3 different clubs put this to the test and came up with the difference and this was put to the council, and it was never put into action because where would u stop having allowances, as there is a difference using stall traps so would they have to be giving time as well, would two people timing in have to give time to one timing in, no where would it end

[me]

the time put to the shu for the difference between timing by ets and conventional clocks was not by the shu president, about 3 different clubs put this to the test and came up with the difference and this was put to the council, and it was never put into action because where would u stop having allowances, as there is a difference using stall traps so would they have to be giving time as well, would two people timing in have to give time to one timing in, no where would it end

 

Your post is nonsense fifer the President of the Shu wrote to every member outlining his proposal and then he just forgot about it, that is the facts, you heard it here first folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

[THE FIFER]

 

Your post is nonsense fifer the President of the Shu wrote to every member outlining his proposal and then he just forgot about it, that is the facts, you heard it here firat folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

this was done by 3 clubs and the difference was put by them, u are talking nonsense, and i am sure someone else on the forum must know this, i know because i was on the council at the time ok,

 

[Guest]

 

Your post is nonsense fifer the President of the Shu wrote to every member outlining his proposal and then he just forgot about it, that is the facts, you heard it here firat folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

I agree with the second part of what you say - the proposal seemed to quietly go away. I definitely didn't receive any letter thro the door - it was an SHU club notice board item and it is anything but recent - this happened years ago, the 1st year after the split from the SHU occurred - 3 years ago now? Definitely old news, no news, and incorrect, its not Fifer's post that's nonsense, it's your own.

[me]

 

this was done by 3 clubs and the difference was put by them, u are talking nonsense, and i am sure someone else on the forum must know this, i know because i was on the council at the time ok,

 

I know you were FIfer! Did the President write to all the members indicating that a 15 second penalty for using Ets was fair and reasonable?

 

YES OR NO FIFER!

 

 

[me]

 

I agree with the second part of what you say - the proposal seemed to quietly go away. I definitely didn't receive any letter thro the door - it was an SHU club notice board item and it is anything but recent - this happened years ago, the 1st year after the split from the SHU occurred - 3 years ago now? Definitely old news, no news, and incorrect, its not Fifer's post that's nonsense, it's your own.

 

Well you are the man Bruno did the President indicte a 15 second penalty for using Ets was fair and reasonable or did he not ? If he did Roland's estimate of 17 seconds is in the right ball park ain't it!!

 

 

[THE FIFER]

 

I know you were FIfer! Did the President write to all the members indicating that a 15 second penalty for using Ets was fair and reasonable?

 

YES OR NO FIFER!

 

that's not what you were on about, you said the president proposed the time limit, i said it was members who were given ets clocks to work out what the difference was, regarding letters if they were sent out it would be the outcome of the members who did the tests findings not the presidents, and if letters were sent out it would not be the president that would send them it would be the secretary.

 

 

 

 

 

[me]

that's not what you were on about, you said the president proposed the time limit, i said it was members who were given ets clocks to work out what the difference was, regarding letters if they were sent out it would be the outcome of the members who did the tests findings not the presidents, and if letters were sent out it would not be the president that would send them it would be the secretary.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your post does you know credit fifer  I'll leave the members of this forum to read and digest your honest opinion of why the President of the Shu  is not in the least bit involved' as in his secretary sent out a letter without him knowing!!!

 

[THE FIFER]

 

 

 

Your post does you know credit fifer  I'll leave the members of this forum to read and digest your honest opinion of why the President of the Shu  is not in the least bit involved' as in his secretary sent out a letter without him knowing!!!

 

yes and let them read yours, i never said the secretary sent out a letter without the president knowing, and to give you a wee bit education what you obviously dont have its the secretaries who send out mail etc not the presidents, so if its possible and you want to disscuss something get it right and read the post, if thats possible by you.

 

 

 

[me]

 

yes and let them read yours, i never said the secretary sent out a letter without the president knowing, and to give you a wee bit education what you obviously dont have its the secretaries who send out mail etc not the presidents, so if its possible and you want to disscuss something get it right and read the post, if thats possible by you.

 

 

 

Sad to say this post does you know credit either Fifer try and see past "petty party politics" and try and remember I am a member of the Shu as well, as in not your natural enemy.

 

You and I both know that the jist of what I  said is pefectly true and Roland's estimate of 17 seconds is reasonably accurate.