MULTI TREATMENTS IN ONE

[Guest TAMMY_1]

You constantly now see treatments more readily available in   4in 1, 3 in 1, 5 in 1, for treating various things in one go, who has tried some of these things  and what ones, and did you think they were better than the single treatment cure? and do you think it is asking too much of a pigeons body to be treating it for 3,4, or 5 things in the one go ?

[Guest jason]

I used to use 4 in 1....canker, cocci, worms & respitory but can't get hold of any now-adays I always noticed a vast improvement in the birds when treated with it.....if anyone can tell me where to get some from...I'd certainly buy again.

 

Jason

[Guest]

I used to use 4 in 1....canker, cocci, worms & respitory but can't get hold of any now-adays I always noticed a vast improvement in the birds when treated with it.....if anyone can tell me where to get some from...I'd certainly buy again.

 

Jason

 

sent you a pm

[frank-123]

 

sent you a pm

 

send me a pm as well thanks

 

 

[Guest]

 

send me a pm as well thanks

 

 

naw    ;D ;D ;D

[frank-123]

"naw" >

please pm me with pigeon products

:K)

 

 

 

[Ed Bourque]

Here you go you can get it here.

 

http://www.jedds.com/Products.asp?MainCategoryID=77&SubCategoryID=744

[shotgun tim]

geordie pm me with  the place to get the 4in1

[Guest]

I used to use 4 in 1....canker, cocci, worms & respitory but can't get hold of any now-adays I always noticed a vast improvement in the birds when treated with it.....if anyone can tell me where to get some from...I'd certainly buy again.

 

Jason

 

I have always been taught that you should leave at least a week between treatments,so is 4 in 1 safe to use given the amount of different drugs administered at 1 time?.Also is it effective?

[jimmy white]

You constantly now see treatments more readily available in   4in 1, 3 in 1, 5 in 1, for treating various things in one go, who has tried some of these things  and what ones, and did you think they were better than the single treatment cure? and do you think it is asking too much of a pigeons body to be treating it for 3,4, or 5 things in the one go ?

 

YES,,,,,but 4in one is  the best ;D,, the scraper ;D , the disinfectant ;D ,clean water ;D, and sometimes you need grub ;D

[Guest]

Think the people who make these preparations provide info that you can safely make a judgement on. There is usually a leaflet or a web page giving details of what drugs are in them, the trials these drugs / product has gone thro, the results and the 'contraindications' - the side effects.

 

There is also 'an analogy' : the human 3-in-one MMR vaccine which tho shown to be safe for the majority of babies has been said to affect a minority in devastating ways. I don't know of any problems that the 3 x vaccines caused when given singly, but more than one at the same time seems to up the risk of something going wrong? As with parents, the fancier has the final say on what is done.

 

Personally, I don't see the point in making things more difficult for the bird than is necessary, why challenge it with up to 5 different 'diseases' all at once?  

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Think the people who make these preparations provide info that you can safely make a judgement on. There is usually a leaflet or a web page giving details of what drugs are in them, the trials these drugs / product has gone thro, the results and the 'contraindications' - the side effects.

 

There is also 'an analogy' : the human 3-in-one MMR vaccine which tho shown to be safe for the majority of babies has been said to affect a minority in devastating ways. I don't know of any problems that the 3 x vaccines caused when given singly, but more than one at the same time seems to up the risk of something going wrong? As with parents, the fancier has the final say on what is done.

 

Personally, I don't see the point in making things more difficult for the bird than is necessary, why challenge it with up to 5 different 'diseases' all at once?  

 

just asking about the last line highlighted Bruno, do you think that the birds will carry the 5 diseases at one time?and if not are you not wasting money by buying and treating them for so many things in one go which they might not have in any case

 

 

[DOVEScot]

Surely your birds don't have all these ailments, they are preventative medicines

 

And on any living thing there are possible side effects or reactions eg nuts, potatos, lactose and loads more

[Guest]

 

just asking about the last line highlighted Bruno, do you think that the birds will carry the 5 diseases at one time?and if not are you not wasting money by buying and treating them for so many things in one go which they might not have in any case

 

 

I'd actually changed the last line of my post from 'I thought it was unlikely that a bird would meet 5 'diseases' together anywhere in the wild' and by inference don't think it likely it would pick up 5 together..

 

I had a look at the links on this thread for 4-in-1 and $14 seemed reasonable until I discovered it was for just a few tabs, need to buy and lot more than that if it was even an average size flock ... my opinion its a form of mis-selling and 'prices start from $14' would be more truthful.

 

Sorry, but even from the little I know of the immune system, these treatments are all just sugary water and a waste of my time and money - my opinion only - and I acknowledge folk have the right to their own opinion and spend their own money as they see fit.

[Guest]

Surely your birds don't have all these ailments, they are preventative medicines

 

And on any living thing there are possible side effects or reactions eg nuts, potatos, lactose and loads more

 

 

Agree with the last bit, even 'simple' everyday foods can kill some folk that are allergic to them.

 

There is no such thing as a preventative medicine. The way the immune system works, its got to 'see and recognise' invading organisms for what they are. These medicines aren't killed organisms like your PMV vaccine, they are just drugs, chemicals. And if the organism they are designed to kill isn't present, they go on to kill something else, like beneficial gut bacteria, or damage the various linings they come in contact with.. can't begin to imagine what a cocktail of 5 might do?

[DOVEScot]

 

 

Agree with the last bit, even 'simple' everyday foods can kill some folk that are allergic to them.

 

There is no such thing as a preventative medicine. The way the immune system works, its got to 'see and recognise' invading organisms for what they are. These medicines aren't killed organisms like your PMV vaccine, they are just drugs, chemicals. And if the organism they are designed to kill isn't present, they go on to kill something else, like beneficial gut bacteria, or damage the various linings they come in contact with.. can't begin to imagine what a cocktail of 5 might do?

 

 

When I say preventative I mean vaccines and such like, I know taking cough mixture won't stop you from getting cough, the same as birds taking certain things will not stop them from becoming ill

But you have to consider  a flu jab if you are in a risk band, the same in birds with paramyxo and other ailmemts in a race enviroment, mixing with other birds.

Some fanciers are like hypochondriacs with their birds, yet probably smoke and drink and have a crap diet, but god forbid, not their birds

 

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

I use 7in1 and I would say it was the best thing on the market. I will be spending a few bob on it at Blackpool this year

[DOVEScot]

I use 7in1 and I would say it was the best thing on the market. I will be spending a few bob on it at Blackpool this year

 

What are the seven things it covers, how much is and apart from Blackpool where do you source it please

[Guest]

 

What are the seven things it covers, how much is and apart from Blackpool where do you source it please

 

only source yi need to know of is the tap its pure clear water ,fill a bucket up at night and leave till morning give it seven days a week and clean feeding is all they need  

[ALF]

 

only source yi need to know of is the tap its pure clear water ,fill a bucket up at night and leave till morning give it seven days a week and clean feeding is all they need  

 

AYE THATS HOW YOUR LAST EVERY WEEK ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

I use 7in1 and I would say it was the best thing on the market. I will be spending a few bob on it at Blackpool this year

 

I think you are referring to Aviform ultimate. Not a treatment as in 'antibiotic' but a supplement as in 'multivit' DMG and drinking water sanitiser. Have used it in the past and couldn't quite identify what the 7 products were.

[ALF]

 

I think you are referring to Aviform ultimate. Not a treatment as in 'antibiotic' but a supplement as in 'multivit' DMG and drinking water sanitiser. Have used it in the past and couldn't quite identify what the 7 products were.

 

READ THE LABEL THEN BRUNO AND YE'LL FIND OOT ;)

[DOVEScot]

 

only source yi need to know of is the tap its pure clear water ,fill a bucket up at night and leave till morning give it seven days a week and clean feeding is all they need  

 

I would tend to agree with that theory if birds were left to nature but they're not, our dove cote pigeons in the past never came done with any ailments

Only since we brought in fancy pigeons and racers for cabin boy the did try and find out more about theories on keeping them

[Guest]

 

What are the seven things it covers, how much is and apart from Blackpool where do you source it please

 

 

http://www.aviform.co.uk/Store/Racing-Pigeon-Products/Health-$4-Condition/AVIFORM-ULTIMATE-%E2%84%A2

[Guest]

 

READ THE LABEL THEN BRUNO AND YE'LL FIND OOT ;)

 

Not only have I still got the labels, but also the empty 500ml bottle they are attached to, and the pump!  ;D   Maybe try and sell it on ebay  ;D  ;D

 

Front label says 'like 7 products in 1'

 

Back label says 'more than 7 products in 1'

 

12 vitamins = multivit    = 1

DMG = food supplement = 2

antibac = water sanitiser = 3

pigeonguard = ???         = 4

 

Somebody can't count??  :-/