ONE DROP HOLE

[Guest bristolkev]

just wondering say a man using ETS on a landing board had 3 or 4 land together at the exact same time winning his club,does this mean he has 3 or 4 birds all with 1st prizes or are they all joint 1st?

[PIGEON_MAN]

how can ETS be fair.......so a fancier using ETS on a landing board can clock multiple birds having say 4 birds with the exact same time.what about a fancier using ETS flying open door he still has to catch the bird and swipe it over the pad.so say the open door flyer had 4 come together he`s not going to get 4 birds with the exact same time coz he`s got to catch each one so this gives other fanciers a chance to split his birds or the result up.or are we saying that the open door flyer has to change his trapping system to a landing board system?..........is that fair?

 

Cant see any point in flying open door and using ETS at the same time as you say he still as to catch the bird and swipe it over the pad so he might just as well take a rubber off the bird and clock it the old way.I will be changing my old birds next year from open door to a trap.

[PIGEON_MAN]

just wondering say a man using ETS on a landing board had 3 or 4 land together at the exact same time winning his club,does this mean he has 3 or 4 birds all with 1st prizes or are they all joint 1st?

 

The fancier who had the first three in our club yesterday had his 2nd and 3rd bird both on the same time,when the result was published his birds were down in 2nd and 3rd place on the list,this was due i think to the way I put these birds into the race result programme,so when i come to write out the prize cards i will just copy them off the result list as they are shown allthough they have the same velocity.

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

how can ETS be fair.......so a fancier using ETS on a landing board can clock multiple birds having say 4 birds with the exact same time.what about a fancier using ETS flying open door he still has to catch the bird and swipe it over the pad.so say the open door flyer had 4 come together he`s not going to get 4 birds with the exact same time coz he`s got to catch each one so this gives other fanciers a chance to split his birds or the result up.or are we saying that the open door flyer has to change his trapping system to a landing board system?..........is that fair?

 

put  BOARD IN YOUR LOFT FOR THE BIRDS TO LAND ON

[Guest]

just wondering say a man using ETS on a landing board had 3 or 4 land together at the exact same time winning his club,does this mean he has 3 or 4 birds all with 1st prizes or are they all joint 1st?

 

The ETS clock records all arrivals in the order clocked - 1st, 2nd 3rd and 4th on screen or print-out. If this was 1st x 4 highest velocity in the race, he would be 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th in the race. There is no such thing as a dead heat in ETS the timings use 1000th of a second.

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

same volsity though

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

The ETS clock records all arrivals in the order clocked - 1st, 2nd 3rd and 4th on screen or print-out. If this was 1st x 4 highest velocity in the race, he would be 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th in the race. There is no such thing as a dead heat in ETS the timings use 1000th of a second.

 

Bruno,I can,t really understand your last sentence,you say there is no such thing as a dead heat,the fancier who was 2ND and 3RD yesterday in our club race clocked these two birds on the same time 10.45.09 resulting in the two birds having exacly the same velocity 1422.757.Not certain what you say about the ETS using 1000th of a second as the clocking times are allways as above I.E. hour,minutes seconds no 1000ths,if this had been 2 differant fanciers surely it would have resulted in a dead heat.

[Pompey Mick]

I think ETS rounds up or down to the nearest second for the purpose of manual data loading into a race result program.  If and when we can plug the clock straight into a race computer then the ETS system will probably download the exaxt clocking down to the 1000th of a second. It is possible, and it has been done, to clock two birds on the same second with a T3.

The banning of more than one rubber in a thimble was brought in to stop fanciers claiming multiple firsts when advertising birds for sale.

[markspigeons]

yeah one hole can be a hole the size of the the front of your sputnick or loft lol

[markspigeons]

personaly i think its not inposible to beet a ets with a t3 if your bird is the first home and in you win ets or t3 the bird get how fast its the winner

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I think ETS rounds up or down to the nearest second for the purpose of manual data loading into a race result program.  If and when we can plug the clock straight into a race computer then the ETS system will probably download the exaxt clocking down to the 1000th of a second. It is possible, and it has been done, to clock two birds on the same second with a T3.

The banning of more than one rubber in a thimble was brought in to stop fanciers claiming multiple firsts when advertising birds for sale.

 

How was that possible ? would have to see that being done .

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

personaly i think its not inposible to beet a ets with a t3 if your bird is the first home and in you win ets or t3 the bird get how fast its the winner

 

COZ THE BIRD MAY BE WILD IT WILL GO THROUGH ETS BUT IF YOU GO TO CATCH IT IT WILL FLY ROUND ;D

[ALF]

 

COZ THE BIRD MAY BE WILD IT WILL GO THROUGH ETS BUT IF YOU GO TO CATCH IT IT WILL FLY ROUND ;D

 

USE A STALL TRAP THEN!!

[ALF]

PERSONALLY I DOO HAVE ETS AND THEY DOO ONLY GO THROUGH 1 TRAP AND YES I HAVE MY BIRDS TRAPPING LIKE BULLETS THROUGH IT AND IF ONLY ENOUGH ROOM FOR 1 PIGEON AT A TIME I CAN STILL GET THEM ALL IN IN UNDER 10 SECS! IT'S THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED IN PIGEON RACING 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

[mark]

PERSONALLY I DOO HAVE ETS AND THEY DOO ONLY GO THROUGH 1 TRAP AND YES I HAVE MY BIRDS TRAPPING LIKE BULLETS THROUGH IT AND IF ONLY ENOUGH ROOM FOR 1 PIGEON AT A TIME I CAN STILL GET THEM ALL IN IN UNDER 10 SECS! IT'S THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED IN PIGEON RACING 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

 

that might be so alf but alot of people would disagree with you.

[PIGEON_MAN]

yeah one hole can be a hole the size of the the front of your sputnick or loft lol

 

The size of the hole or holes is determined by what size pad you have.

[PIGEON_MAN]

I think ETS rounds up or down to the nearest second for the purpose of manual data loading into a race result program.  If and when we can plug the clock straight into a race computer then the ETS system will probably download the exaxt clocking down to the 1000th of a second.

 

When the system clocks your bird it does not know wether you will be loading the data manually into a race programme or not so how can it know wether or not to round up or down,when you take a print off of the clocking times it still doesn,t know and as I said before it only prints off the hour minute and seconds no 1000ths.

[Pompey Mick]

If you check any one-race result they do the times in 100th Sec and the reason why Club ETS systems print to the nearest second is because the software has been programmed to do this because RPRA rulings mean you have to manually input the times, and current Race programs will not take decimal seconds.

The timing of two pigeons on one second requires a bit of prelim work, you need to have one thimble in the drum and the other in position above ready to drop in and have to catch the seconds right, (not to be recommended with your first pigeon)

[Guest]

 

Bruno,I can,t really understand your last sentence,you say there is no such thing as a dead heat,the fancier who was 2ND and 3RD yesterday in our club race clocked these two birds on the same time 10.45.09 resulting in the two birds having exacly the same velocity 1422.757.Not certain what you say about the ETS using 1000th of a second as the clocking times are allways as above I.E. hour,minutes seconds no 1000ths,if this had been 2 differant fanciers surely it would have resulted in a dead heat.

 

If you recall our last discussion thread on this we were talking about RPRA One loft Race result?  Their result reads-out and prints-out parts of a second rounded to 100ths of a second. They obviously saw a need for and asked for that facility and got it.  Look at the first 3 from Hotspot race 1

 

http://www.rpra.org/OneLoftRace2007/Hotspot1/RaceResults/tabid/110/Default.aspx

 

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In our clocks which reads-out and prints-out whole seconds only, which is enough for our needs - honestly don’t believe any existing race results program can deal with parts of a second let alone 1000ths of a second - times would be same and order of birds same:

 

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Remember that there is the potential to clock and record a bird every 1000th of a second in ETS, so in theory you can have 1000 birds clocked in on the same second, and the ETS clock tells you the exact order they were clocked in. As my example shows, birds 2 and 3 were clocked on the same second, but bird 2 beat bird 3 by 3 tenths of a second. Clock 'knows' that and placed the birds in their correct order.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

Cheers Bruno that explains it exactly.

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

 

I think the problem in two rubbers in one thimble is that you don't know for certain which bird was first, and that is perhaps why it is not permitted, ETS is a different system and it does know for certain which bird was first, even when they are 1000ths of a second apart.

 

It wouldnt matter what bird was 1st as long as you won the race and took 2nd place aswell. But it would be the rubber at the bottom of the thimble would it not

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

It wouldnt matter what bird was 1st as long as you won the race and took 2nd place aswell. But it would be the rubber at the bottom of the thimble would it not

 

what would happen if the rubbers were side to side grieg ?

[Pompey Mick]

I've just been reading the Bricon Speedy User Guide and it has a section on multiple timings on one pad. It actually recommends controlling the number of pigeons crossing the pad.

I quote

'' On the landing board you build an area which is lower, under which the antenna is installed. The pigeons enter onto the landing board one by one, and not all at the same time, and as a result the registration of the birds is optimised.''

 

(They also draw attention to the fact that you install the antenna as per your organisation's stipulations.)

[dazza]

A genuine question! When 4 birds get the same velocity how does ETS distinguish 1st 2nd 3rd 4th?

[Guest]

A genuine question! When 4 birds get the same velocity how does ETS distinguish 1st 2nd 3rd 4th?

 

ETS is a timing system it doesn't calculate velocity.