late birds

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

i i got 2 late yb from a guy and i was trainig them it was hard as they were 5 weeks old already they are reds, and they flew off on me and i was so mad i put them in stock, now im wondering if they will be breedable in febuary!!! they must be like 6-7 weeks old now!! ?

[Mike Lycett]

Plenty old enough - no problems

[Guest TAMMY_1]

i i got 2 late yb from a guy and i was trainig them it was hard as they were 5 weeks old already they are reds, and they flew off on me and i was so mad i put them in stock, now im wondering if they will be breedable in febuary!!! they must be like 6-7 weeks old now!! ?

 

Am I  reading this correctly, are you saying that you are training birds at 5 weeks old ? so say you were so mad when they flew off on you,   I think you are just mad what did you expect at that age

[swilcox]

I bred 18 latebreds this year to cover me incase of losses, as it turn out i was well covered by my 1st too rounds.

 

I have trained these birds in the last 3 weeks from

 

Lulsgate, Weston Super Mare, Highbridge, Bridgewater, Wellington.

 

Then

 

Avonmouth, Newport and a single toss from Cardiff

 

Then

 

Yateley (in London)

 

and this weekend 2 tosses from Poole.

 

As you can tell i took them to work!!

 

I must admit i was trying to lose them but considering they have been 60 mile SW, 50 miles west, 80 miles East and 50 miles SE and ive only lost one i get the feeling they will be my backbone for years to come!!! Its amazing what young pigeons will do when pushed.

 

Stuart

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I bred 18 latebirds this year to cover me in case of losses, as it turn out i was well covered by my 1st too rounds.

 

I have trained these birds in the last 3 weeks from

 

Lulsgate, Weston Super Mare, Highbridge, Bridgewater, Wellington.

 

Then

 

Avonmouth, Newport and a single toss from Cardiff

 

Then

 

Yateley (in London)

 

and this weekend 2 tosses from Poole.

 

As you can tell i took them to work!!

 

I must admit i was trying to lose them but considering they have been 60 mile SW, 50 miles west, 80 miles East and 50 miles SE and Ive only lost one i get the feeling they will be my backbone for years to come!!! Its amazing what young pigeons will do when pushed.

 

Stuart

 

 

Find this part of your statement a bit incredulous, who actually rears birds and then says they were trying to lose them deliberately ?

[swilcox]

Well Tammy

 

If you have more than you need then you try and thin them out with the basket and thats what i was trying to do!!!!!!

 

After 9 races i had still got 80% of my youngsters with most winning top prizes but as i had new breeding pairs i really didnt know how it was going to finish up, as it is im very happy to have a few to0 many as there performances have been very good!!!

 

Stuart

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

well the birds were given to me when they were to old fro him to train, so he gave them to me, i soaped them up and put them outside 2 times it worked the first time but i did not put enough soap on them the second time so off they were,

what about my other late birds who are now 5 weeks old, will they be able to breed in feb? all in all how old should birds be for breeding?

[chichichi]

we bred some latebreds for back up..we trained them up and we jumped them into the race last week....86 miles,,they were 1,2,3,4,,,,,how the hell they done it I don't know,,but very impressed with them,,,,looking good in the fed also...see how they do for next year....

[jimmy white]

well the birds were given to me when they were to old fro him to train, so he gave them to me, i soaped them up and put them outside 2 times it worked the first time but i did not put enough soap on them the second time so off they were,

what about my other late birds who are now 5 weeks old, will they be able to breed in feb? all in all how old should birds be for breeding?

 

these other latebreds , should breed ok in feb ,, but would prefer to breed them a bit older older

[Guest]

we bred some latebreds for back up..we trained them up and we jumped them into the race last week....86 miles,,they were 1,2,3,4,,,,,how the hell they done it I don't know,,but very impressed with them,,,,looking good in the fed also...see how they do for next year....

 

wot time was lib on sat at swindon for u m8???..we was up at 7.50...paul

[jimmy white]

I bred 18 latebreds this year to cover me incase of losses, as it turn out i was well covered by my 1st too rounds.

 

I have trained these birds in the last 3 weeks from

 

Lulsgate, Weston Super Mare, Highbridge, Bridgewater, Wellington.

 

Then

 

Avonmouth, Newport and a single toss from Cardiff

 

Then

 

Yateley (in London)

 

and this weekend 2 tosses from Poole.

 

As you can tell i took them to work!!

 

I must admit i was trying to lose them but considering they have been 60 mile SW, 50 miles west, 80 miles East and 50 miles SE and ive only lost one i get the feeling they will be my backbone for years to come!!! Its amazing what young pigeons will do when pushed.

 

Stuart

 

these birds will make excellent pigeons ,, trained young ,, installed in their head whilst young  , i think tammy making a bit of a meal of this   its common sense ,, that if youve plenty yb,s left ,, the idea would be termed [as trying to lose them] but in reality , theres no way you want to lose them,, you would only  take more of a chance with them, and push them harder,,,, try to keep them,, and youll lose them  ,, take a chance and go for it and you dont seem to ,, finish up with better birds ,,,,bet stu  wont lose them so easy now    and bet he   knows it too  

[Guest]

I hope this thread is a joke,if not then it is people like these that ruin the integrity of the sport,and ultimately have to take responsibility for the image of the sport portraid to the general public.Training birds which are barely able to get up to a perch at 5 weeks of age is just sick as is sending birds on a training toss which distance wise they are obviously not capable of with the sole objective of causing their demise is as bad.We all want to win with our birds but to my mind the welfare of the bird is parramount and must come before anything else.I think once you loose sight of the love you have for your birds it's time to give up,at least I can sleep at night knowing that I put their welfare first.

[jimmy white]

i i got 2 late yb from a guy and i was trainig them it was hard as they were 5 weeks old already they are reds, and they flew off on me and i was so mad i put them in stock, now im wondering if they will be breedable in febuary!!! they must be like 6-7 weeks old now!! ?

 

im not really quite sure of your posting,,m,b ,, but if i am reading it right you say your training them at 5 weeks?? [dont know if ive picked you up right]  but best wait until their about 9 weeks at least, even then short tosses to begin with ,then as the weeks tick by , they'll be ready to stretch out further,, ive allways found a bird better for being trained in its year of birth

[jimmy white]

I hope this thread is a joke,if not then it is people like these that ruin the integrity of the sport,and ultimately have to take responsibility for the image of the sport portraid to the general public.Training birds which are barely able to get up to a perch at 5 weeks of age is just sick as is sending birds on a training toss which distance wise they are obviously not capable of with the sole objective of causing their demise is as bad.We all want to win with our birds but to my mind the welfare of the bird is parramount and must come before anything else.I think once you loose sight of the love you have for your birds it's time to give up,at least I can sleep at night knowing that I put their welfare first.

 

this is why i think maybe a misinterpretation has taken place , as chrissy says , the birds can barely fly at that age , so maybe weve picked up wrong ,,,i hope

[Guest]

 

this is why i think maybe a misinterpretation has taken place , as chrissy says , the birds can barely fly at that age , so maybe weve picked up wrong ,,,i hope

 

I hope so  

[nagid]

im just wondering if stuart still wants to lose some of these latebreds cos after that training id sure give them a good home.my view is there a lot harder than we think.

[Guest]

I usally wait till the young birds are at least 12 to 16 weeks before first training flight.at five weeks i believe is suicidal.

[jimmy white]

im just wondering if stuart still wants to lose some of these latebreds cos after that training id sure give them a good home.my view is there a lot harder than we think.

 

i got in first ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[nagid]

awe naw beat again.im not surprised doctor :)

[Guest]

Doubt if it is road training that's taking place when the birds are only 5 weeks old. More likely to be training the birds to come to the feeder when called, or coming in thro trap when called. Think we call it 'schooling'.

 

I've always had trouble breeding from yearling late breds. When they are paired up at same time as my other birds, they've laid up to one month later than the March & April bred birds.

[Roland]

Birds have won a race at 7 weeks!  Not mine of course, but personally I never start train till after they have finished roaming and the eyes have colour.

[Roland]

And a comment from a mate in Canada '...

We cleaned up OK. We got our first Mac bird at 3:07 but it doesn't count. It has a dead band on it. (Had a lot of bands this year that allocate on the Express club set but won't read on the traps at home) Barry W said his club also had that problem this year.

[swilcox]

Chrissy

 

Firstly "Losing" was probaly the wrong term but i was trying to reduce numbers by training hard and lets face it we use racing to do this to!!!

 

Im a hard worker in pigeon racing and i believe pigeons need to work hard to!! Many people choose to cull excess numbers but i dont i just up the work rate and let the weak full away. If you ever came to my loft you will know my pigeons are treated better than my wife!!

 

Chrissy you talk about the distance and direction i take them what do you think happens on a saturday when pigeons clash and go off line????? The only cruel people and negative image fanciers are those who race there pigeons without putting any work in!!!!! and blame everyone except themselves!!

 

Jimmy and Nagrid

 

When i started training these babies they were just pigeons but im amazed at what they have done and now i could describe everyone of them in detail. I can say i have a real bond with them and i just get the feeling there is a big winner in that little batch.

 

All the best to everyone

Stuart

[Guest j.bamling]

I HAVE SOME LATEBREDS LEFT NOW WHAT ARE STILL FOR SALE ON THIS SITE ABOUT THE SAME AGE 4 WEEKS OLD AND FOR THE OTHER LADS WHO HAVE BOUGHT THEM FROM ME I FULLY BELIEVE THESE WILL PAIR UP I HAD A BELGUIM JANSSEN LATEBRED STILL SQUEAKING ONCE THAT I BOUGHT FROM THE DONCASTER SHOW

WHEN I BROUGHT THE BIRD HOME THREW IT IN A END WITH SOME OLDER BIRDS AND THE NEXT DAY IT WAS PAIRED UP TO AN OLD COCK - I NEVER LET IT LAY THOUGH !!!

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

ok u guys tottaly dont get my question!!! i ment to ask is i got 2 late birds from a guy, who had never let them outside becouse they were too old to, they must be like 6-7 weeks old, becouse they were to strong on the wings, and would take off and not come back!!becose they were to old, so he gave them to me to try and settle, and they took off on me i was lucky enought to catch them, again i had soaped the flights so they whould be too havy to take off but they did. and i odnt men take them out on tosses i meant just letting them outside around the loft!!! i dont toss my birds till they have dissaperd around the loft for 30 minutes,well thats what im told!!lol