What if my club don't accept ETS?

[blackjack]

At our club we are not having ETS the clocksetters and secretary are not willing to do it and only 1 member has it and rest are not going to get it. so i suppose we will be ets free !.

[carl]

At our club we are not having ETS the clocksetters and secretary are not willing to do it and only 1 member has it and rest are not going to get it. so i suppose we will be ets free !.

 

 

 

Im thinking about getting it but i can see my club officials turning there noses up at it,where will i stand then,will i still be able to get ets ??/

 

is the one member theat has it alloud to compeat with ets ?,if so how does he set clock etc

[rockinrick]

i mentioned to our secretary that because of my health i might get ets next year and he replied ( if u do then i resign from club as i wont set it) so i mentioned to other members and the majority said they follow him as they are too old to change , so either i carry on struggling in loft looking like something out of star wars  (mask  , gloves , coat , and oxygen tank  jus to time birds in , or i give birds up next year , ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry for hyjacking  u post  solo .

[Guest]

I created this thread from 'ets two fanciers one loft thread'.

[Guest]

Didn't Peter Bryant give a ruling on that one?

 

Think I'd be getting it in writing from the club and making a complaint on their refusal to RPRA.

 

And if you suffer PFL then DDA definitely enters into it, and thro the front door too.

 

[Guest]

RPRA RULE :-  

 

ELECTRONIC TIMING SYSTEMS

230. All Association members are allowed

to time their birds electronically at all

levels of competition with an RPRA

approved electronic timing system, (ETS)

providing the club/organisation has the

required equipment and the officials are

competent and willing to use it.

[Guest]

FULL RULES ON ETS

 

''ELECTRONIC TIMING SYSTEMS

 

230. All Association members are allowed

to time their birds electronically at all

levels of competition with an RPRA

approved electronic timing system, (ETS)

providing the club/organisation has the

required equipment and the officials are

competent and willing to use it.

 

231. No Association member can be

compelled to use an electronic timing

system.

232. It is the responsibility of the member

to check that each organisation he intends

to compete with has the equipment needed

to enable him to use his ETS.

233. The necessary hardware and software

for the organisation’s administration of

ETS must be held under lock and key at

the organisation or other approved

premises, to be accessed by a minimum of

two officials. The operation of the

hardware and software is only permitted

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by authorized members who have been

elected by the organisation.

 

234. Prior to racing all ETS clocks must be

brought to the club and set with the ETS

radio clock and struck off after 24 hours.

In the case of members wishing to use their

ETS elsewhere a certificate of worthiness

will be issued by the officials of the testing

organisation.

 

235. Electronic rings must be allocated to

the ring numbers of the member’s pigeons

before the start of old bird and young bird

racing respectively. Allocation on marking

nights will only be permitted due to a

defect or loss of an electronic ring.

 

236. After each allocation a list must be

printed in duplicate, each of which must be

signed by an authorised person of the

organisation and countersigned by the

member. One signed list is to be filed along

with race entry documentation and the

other handed to the member. The

allocation data must be stored on a backup

disk in case amendments become necessary

during the season. Any organisation to

which the member is affiliated may

demand to see the allocation list.

 

237. All electronic timers set with the ETS

radio clock shall deemed to be correct with

TIM.

 

238. All ETS race entry sheets and race

arrival reports must be printed directly

from the ETS printer and not via a PC

printer. These must contain the

competitor’s name, address, race and date.

One copy must be retained by the

organisation and one copy given to the

competitor. Both copies must be signed by

an official of the organisation and the

competitor. No member is permitted to

take part in the race marking/entry process

of his own pigeons.

 

239. If a day pigeon is timed in races lasting

more than one day, the ETS must be taken

to a clock station for a progress

reading/print out. If the ETS is required

for further timings it will be struck off at a

later date.

 

240. Should the data record of an ETS be

deleted or become unusable between the

pigeons entry to the loft and print out after

the pigeons return for any reason, the

entered pigeons must be eliminated from

the result. Where there is a difference

between the code number written into the

ring during the marking and the code

number stated at the return then the

pigeon is to be eliminated from the result.

 

241. The antennae of the ETS must be

fitted within the confines of the loft or

trapping systems, not underneath external

landing boards. Club officials may make

random checks at any time. Contravention

of this rule will result in disciplinary action

under rule 70A.''

 

SOURCE RPRA RULE BOOK 2007

[rockinrick]

thnx guys , ,,,,,,,,,, rockinrick  

[deanbruton]

not sure of rules on ets, but the officals of our club were against ets but were outvoted in meeting, will have to wait and see if they use ets.

[CHUNK73]

why r people worried about people using ets. you have still got to get the pigeons home to win. we had three people usingm ets in our club they still didnt beat us using t3s

[Guest]

The club can not vote to use ETS or not to use it. It can be used (under RPRA rules at least, dont know about WHU) but if the officals are not willing to set the system up or can't use it etc , the club can not use ets.

[Back garden fancier]

Strange how each club differs, my club has just voted to use ETS next year. Several members are in their 80's and even more in 60's and 70's, but no problems here. I think if you get one member who is a strong voice in the club all the others follow.

[Guest]

Strange how each club differs, my club has just voted to use ETS next year. Several members are in their 80's and even more in 60's and 70's, but no problems here. I think if you get one member who is a strong voice in the club all the others follow.

 

 

I dont see how a club has to vote if they use it or not. It is a RPRA rule that any member can use it, as long as there are members there willing to set the system up use the equipment etc.

 

[Back garden fancier]

What I meant was we have voted to try for a lottery grant. And every member go on to ETS. If the grant fails then members will have to fork out for their own if they want one.

[THE FIFER]

At our club we are not having ETS the clocksetters and secretary are not willing to do it and only 1 member has it and rest are not going to get it. so i suppose we will be ets free !.

 

 

i i think the last para in rule 230, QUOTE: "AND THE OFFICIALS ARE COMPETENT AND WILLING TO USE IT" i think its the "WILLING TO USE IT" part which gives them the say so, answers ur question.

 

 

[sapper756]

 

 

i i think the last para in rule 230, QUOTE: "AND THE OFFICIALS ARE COMPETENT AND WILLING TO USE IT" i think its the "WILLING TO USE IT" part which gives them the say so, answers ur question.

 

 

Exactly right, the wording, WILLING TO USE, leaves it open to abuse by those against its use.

[THE FIFER]

 

Exactly right, the wording, WILLING TO USE, leaves it open to abuse by those against its use.

 

yes and its the OFFICIALS which have this power, not the members,

 

 

[Guest]

The club can not vote to use ETS or not to use it. It can be used (under RPRA rules at least, dont know about WHU) but if the officals are not willing to set the system up or can't use it etc , the club can not use ets.

 

so if majority of clubs do like wise what is the ruling on that is it still discrimination

[THE FIFER]

not sure of rules on ets, but the officals of our club were against ets but were outvoted in meeting, will have to wait and see if they use ets.

 

 

 

reading rule 230, tha last para as i stated in a post, quote "AND THE OFFICIALS ARE COMPETENT AND WILLING TO USE IT"  means its the officials who have the say so, not the members.

 

[apigeonracer]

dont care what they do i believe i can still win useing my T3 against the ets

[Roland]

Didn't Peter Bryant give a ruling on that one?

 

Think I'd be getting it in writing from the club and making a complaint on their refusal to RPRA.

 

And if you suffer PFL then DDA definitely enters into it, and thro the front door too.

 

Fine ... means all will resign from present and form a club where any one that needs a ET woulddn't be voted in I guess.

[Roland]

why r people worried about people using ets. you have still got to get the pigeons home to win. we had three people usingm ets in our club they still didnt beat us using t3s

 

Been there matey ... tjhis thread has nowt to do with that old potato!

[Roland]

Now another slice many can't seem to grasp... What if the Fed are willing or able to use it, and further CAN'T afford it... likewise the clubs, does one really expect not users / or anti user to vote for, let alone PAY for it to be set up! ?

Get real here, Form ET clubs only... but before one does, make sure that the fed will be ABLE and WILLING to do so ... seems to me that that won't happen either. The three clubs I am in has in total just two interested... or not afraid to ask and voice their oppinion. 50 odd members.

If they allowed a rule - that couldn't be altered, or ever changed - saying 15 seconds less first bird and 5 seconds there after most clubs would have the ET's sailing through ... but they won't do that becausethe simple reality of the majority of pro ET brigade want it for every advantage they can muster. Never mnd about the bird having to sly the race ... at 1760 per minute a bird can, and often could be, a quater of a mile behind and still win... never mind the long term future of better trapping because of Trap shyness!

[tubbles]

I do not have the ets system as yet, but i am getting more and more into the swing about it after watching the clips on youtube. As for the officials of the clubs, well thats another matter. you have to take into account the feelings of the membership. I am 45 years old and there are only 2 or three members younger than me. The majority of members are in their.... lets say 50's to 70's. I can understand them not wanting to pay out for a whole new clocking system but if it speeds up the clocking in time for elderly/disabled people it should be available to them.

 

If you feel that it is going to finish off your club maybe you should try another way of catching your birds on race days. If you are too ill elderly or whatever to run in the loft after them then you could put a speedtrap or timefactor trap on the loft ( wow timefactor where did i remember that one from) I have mine on an aviary the full length of the loft, just one six trap setup on front, that way you do not need the mask and allsorts on because you are outside.

[Guest]

RPRA RULE :-  

 

ELECTRONIC TIMING SYSTEMS

230. All Association members are allowed

to time their birds electronically at all

levels of competition with an RPRA

approved electronic timing system, (ETS)

providing the club/organisation has the

required equipment and the officials are

competent and willing to use it.

 

 

I've been thro the Site 'VFTR', 'Latest from Peter Bryant' and my BHWs but can't find his piece on Rule 230.

 

My BHWs only go back to July 13th, and in the letters page, page 4 'ETS' a letter signed by J H Burns begins:-

 

"In reply to Mr Bryant's comments about clubs introducing domestic rules against the use of ETS. Mr Bryant should also look at the RPRA rules. He quotes Rule 230 allows all members to use ETS, but fails to carry on and explain what the rest of Rule 230 means....."

 

Now because of the number of letters on ETS, I haven't been reading letters page, but I do read VFTR so that is where I likely read it. If someone still has a VFTR prior to 13th July, an explanation of the 2nd part of Rule 230 is given there. From memory, think he said it was meant to mean that officials weren't expected to work with a system they knew nothing about and had to be trained in the ets systems the club used.

 

Didn't we have a discussion somewhere on the Site about that training?