Inbred-Linebred Family

[schouwman71]

How far can you keep breeding within an inbred-linebred family of pigeons and keep up breeding winners out of them,has anybody done this for years with a family of pigeons that has come down from the same origine or are they still doing it and having success.

[pigeonscout]

Yes it can be and has been done for years with great results.

[Roland]

With great losses and 'Fly aways' .... but that is another topic.

One must not get confused with Inbred and Line bred. They are two completely different things.

Basicly most don't  know the difference, and very few understand what and why one has an 'Inbred' family and the reality of why.

[Guest Thunder Birds]

Take a look at the Janssens of Arendonk. They only started out with a handfull of base pigeons and have inbred for generations! The base pigeons have to be stong enough to sustain this though as inbreeding will bring out the best of the genes in some birds but the worst in others - the capital B (basket) gene should weed out the weaklings

[Roland]

Take a look at the Janssens of Arendonk. They only started out with a handfull of base pigeons and have inbred for generations! The base pigeons have to be stong enough to sustain this though as inbreeding will bring out the best of the genes in some birds but the worst in others - the capital B (basket) gene should weed out the weaklings

 

Exactly, every 'Champ' was from the outcross! Then Line bred til the next out cross. The 'Blood Pool' was added to constantly too. Why his sons went far and wide in search of new blood.

[gangster]

 

Exactly, every 'Champ' was from the outcross! Then Line bred til the next out cross. The 'Blood Pool' was added to constantly too. Why his sons went far and wide in search of new blood.

 

never went too far though....

[gangster]

and as for the hartogs they came from a bigger pool of base birds so are able to hold there like....

[Guest Thunder Birds]

Take a look at this re: the Janssens of Arendonk http://theupnorthcombine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=122&Itemid=189

[Guest Silverwings]

inbreeding can either make or break your family of birds .i beleive its a good thing to fix characteristics that you have a preference for. or your original base birds dont have to many of the same lines in them ! but to inbreed with  already inbred base pigeons is asking for trouble.....ray

[jimmy white]

i have found success in the past , with an inbred cock of one winning  family ,paired to an inbred hen of a different winning family,,,but its after that, that problems can occur ,, but the as old saying goes ,,,, the hybrid vigour

[ACE LOFTS]

if u look at the lindelaufs there very inbred and winning, if u can look at some of his pedigrees and u will see what i mean.

[ACE LOFTS]

also i belive they are the family to get in and cross, and u will get good racing pigeons.

[Guest]

I purchased a brother and sister same way bred but different years,05,06 from dale newcombes sale.Sire is son of 1st open snfc rennes,dam is off two gold award winners bred together,was thinking i might pair the two, has anyone done this.Or would this be to inbred.

[jimmy white]

i have paired two nestmates up,,,by mistake,, [one was on loan untill we found out they were nestmates ]    topped the fed with a yb from this pair ,,, whether this was a one of ,,who knows

[Guest]

Did you achive anything else with the yb,or did it produce anything

[Eddie]

Try this link http://silvio-co.com/pigeons/

[Michael J Burden]

;D

How far can you keep breeding within an inbred-linebred family of pigeons and keep up breeding winners out of them,has anybody done this for years with a family of pigeons that has come down from the same origine or are they still doing it and having success.

 

Personally I don't see what you are trying to achieve by this pairing. You may well consider pairing the two to unrelated birds then crossing the good ones from those pairings together and to the original two.

It may be that you have some yearlings from the first bird already?

 

[Roland]

Like I say most don't have the first inling why they Incess their birds and what are the actully reason in what they hope to acheive.

Incess pigeons - especially after a generation aren't for racing.

The Idea is to generate a 'Blood pool or two or more of the 'Blood' you wish to keep in the loft so OUTCROSSED decendants do the racing.

Yes you can keep going back to them, and you have to introduce more good blood lines regularly ...

[hazz2000]

inbreeding and linebreeding has its ups and downs, you can double the good points and in some cases double the bad points internaly and externaly, some you don't see. you have to be ruthless with your selection , they have to be perfect in every way.

[sammy]

http://www.geocities.com/fvarro/inbreeding/index.html a lot of usefull things on this link worth looking at lad

[schouwman71]

;D

 

Personally I don't see what you are trying to achieve by this pairing. You may well consider pairing the two to unrelated birds then crossing the good ones from those pairings together and to the original two.

It may be that you have some yearlings from the first bird already?

 

Ime not trying to achieve nothink,i was just asking how many people do this type of breeding,read what i first wrote,i wasnt acting on my own breeding tecniques. ;D ;D

[jimmy white]

this y bird was never raced after yb season,after a couple of minor positions in the club,and topping the fed  unfortunately never really excelled in breeding ,,,, the nest mate to it , the other fancier got , did nothing as far as i know. these birds were de   klack jansens    [parents bought from the humberside stud]

[jimmy white]

Did you achive anything else with the yb,or did it produce anything

 

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[Guest]

Sammy went to that link you put up very intersisting  great info on it

[just ask me]

apart from the janssens and some other genius out there i agree u have to have a gene pool to fall back on but wouldn't be breeding constantly from the same family of birds in my op ion u have to  introduce new breeds constantly to see what crosses well with what u have sum will work sum wont

the only thing i like to do is get my top hen or cock  in the ped three times within the grandparents and then cross out this is what ido seems to work for me that all i can say