recent rpra agm

[kingy1975]

now that the rpra council have voted against time penalty,s on ets can anyone clarify what the position would be at a local level.  ie can clubs/ feds intoduce a time penalty at club/fed level. cheers

[PIGEON_MAN]

Would that not be going against RPRA rules which you cant do.

[kingy1975]

well at present there is no rpra rule with regards to time penaltys. so clubs are allowed to make there own rules as long as they do not go against or contradict any rpra rule. so we obviously need more clarification on the subject. i really hope they have not took the easy route out and our going to let clubs and feds fight amongst themselves.

[Wiley]

if your governed by rpra you cannot do it. if they do and someone using ets wins they can take it to the centre, and will win the day! Also if your putting 20 seconds or time penalties the race result wouldnt show true velocity which is breaking another rule

[kingy1975]

i wish it was that easy but the point i am making is that the rpra dont have any rule regarding time penalties so going by the book a club would be allowed to put time penalties on as it is not breaking and existing rule.it would only be the case if the rpra had a rule stating that no time penalties can be put on any member

[pjc]

just accept it, why keep trying to find a way to get one over on progress!

[kingy1975]

pjc i have got it myself used it all last yb season and think its the best thing i have purchased since racing pigeons . the comment i am making is that it would have been much better if the rpra councilers had sorted it out from the top, what we our going to get now is inconsistancy in what differant regions do regarding penalties.

[Wiley]

read rule 189 stating the result of each race my show the actual flying times and true velocities. Now if you put penalties you are breaking this rule. Also rule 192 in calculation of velocities no rounding up or down is permitted anywhere within the calculation

[kingy1975]

yes wiley i am aware of both those rules but it does not stop clubs adding double lost time to your arrival now if you come in late with your clock.

[Wiley]

cause it does, as you have to work out the velocity from the actual flying time SURELY?

[kingy1975]

no here in my club and many others around they will add time to your clocking time if you arrive after 2 hours of clocking in , and this is acceptable as it is a domestic club rule.

[Guest jamesa]

my fed has a time penalty and the rpra council have said that it is ok

[pjc]

Wiley is right, no club, fed or region can impose any penalty!

But according to the rules though if a member turns up at a club with ETS and the club does not have the facility to use ETS it does not have to be accepted.

Any open races and nationals etc must state if they are able to accept ETS or not. In this case a club can choose not to use it!

[Tony C]

There were time penalties added last year by some feds, what rule changes has there been to stop the same happening again this year.

[kingy1975]

none so the arguments will continue

i think it is a cop out by the councilers and the worst thing about it is my counciler doesnt even race pigeons .

[Pompey Mick]

There was an appeal to the NW Region against time penalties imposed and the appeal was upheld under existing RPRA rules.

The NW region then submitted proposals to the RPRA to enable them to allow time penalties and it would seem they all failed.

So a precedent has been set and time penalties will not be allowed under RPRA rules.

I think the use of ETS is snowballing and here to stay, and when you hear that the production of rubber rings is being stopped by the main supplier, ETS will become the main Clocking tool.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

There was an appeal to the NW Region against time penalties imposed and the appeal was upheld under existing RPRA rules.

The NW region then submitted proposals to the RPRA to enable them to allow time penalties and it would seem they all failed.

So a precedent has been set and time penalties will not be allowed under RPRA rules.

I think the use of ETS is snowballing and here to stay, and when you hear that the production of rubber rings is being stopped by the main supplier, ETS will become the main Clocking tool.

 

ETS has been here to stay for a while , been in use in Scotland for a while now and there are plenty manufacturers of race rubbers, we don't have to depend on just one supplying them.

[Bilco]

Proposal 7/57 said "The ETS may only be used on the club's discretion. i.e. if the club votes for members not to be able to use them, they will not be able to use them"

 

This proposal was thrown out.  

Proposals 7/49, 7/50 and 7/51 which proposed that time penalties be added to birds timed on ETS were also thrown out, and RPRA Rules state that Domestic Rules that conflict with RPRA Rules may not be used.  Cheers, Bill.

[frank-123]

the shu never went the right way either when ets was first used in scotland

listen in a few years time it will not bother anyone in england

dont get yourself to caught up on the ets argument just race your pigeons to the best of your ability