Roland Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 Tournier is quoted as having said, never buy a pigeon from someone unless you trust them,its more satisfying to give a decent pigeon rather than sell one,also of the opinion this sport went into rapid decline when the money merchants came on board Oh how true, and didn't they just con the grass rootes eh!
Roland Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 merlin, you could not get to me if you tried, loser Tut Tut Spencer, behave l:P ;D ;D
Guest chrisss Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 Watch out every one :P . New boy on the block etc, it appears ????? "Welcome aboard" one could say !!!!!! :D . If you survive :X :X :X now, I do hope you enjoy yourself here Joe 61, even if it is a short stay : : :. Enjoy. og mein gott its twins ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 hello merlin back from your walk down the yellow brick road with the eyesign guru bet it was the blind leading the blind or is it dumb and dumber happy days Spencer is this not classed as schizophrenia? ;D
Lennut Tar Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 Spencer is this not classed as schizophrenia? ;D Careful now Dave !!!!!! I'm > now, when you use such a word etc. Do you know ????? or relize it's not a desease as such, that one can catch etc, it's a sickness. So please don't make fun of those less fortunate than most of us here. Because one day it may strike one of your family, & that would be very & I can tell you that . In all honesty :'( :'( :'(, Enjoy.
swilcox Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 The world has changed and maybe pigeon racing has changed in line with that and its certainly in decline nobody can argue that. In this day and age with such high taxes and cost of living many seek to fund there hobby by selling a few birds or promoting One Loft Races. I dont believe my actions have damaged the sport in any way and why, because 1st and formost im a pigeon fancier and any money that im lucky to make will be put back into racing. Most of my profit will be used to send a nice team to the NFC races this year. Now there are a merry band of people who are like leaches on the back of the sport, they are non-fanciers, they dont race many arent even members of a club, they charge high prices and often sell crap. There money goes out the sport, but its up the you to find these people out and most of all dont buy off them. IF YOU WANT TO PROMOTE PIGEON RACING THEN ALWAYS BUY FROM A FLYING PIGEON FANCIERS AND NOT NONE FANCIERS USING THE SPORT AS AN EXTRA INCOME. Stuart
timbarra Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Posted March 31, 2008 Stuart, I think you have made a valid point, and yes some do make money on the sport, i believe its ok to spend money on pigeons if the pigeons win and are from a lineage of winners and breeders of winners, there are money men in the sport who wear different cloaks of disguise. terminology is just the cloak they wear. If they make some money from their endeavours, then it is entirely up to them what they wish to do with their money , as its their time and effort which is being put into what they do best, whatever they call themselves . I have raced for the last 20 years apart from 2007 and believe what you say is correct in relation to the sport, and as for promoting the sport in this country, I think fanciers in this country should buy from fanciers in this country, do you not think ? would this be best for sport in this country? regards spencer PS would you think an idea towards this would be outlaw all foreign rung pigeons on the market in this country , thus promoting our own fanciers and their birds, I look forward to your thoughts on this.
swilcox Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 I dont believe it matters what country you buy your birds from as long as there from a pigeon fancier who flys pigeons on a weekly basis and supports the sport in his local area. I have some knowledge of a super fancier in Brazil who has won 3 years on the trot the longest race of 1100km through the mountains of Minus Gerias, i with the same pigeon, with that knowledge i visited him and i have now purchased that pigeon with the hope he will give my colony the edge over you guys!!!! Class can come from anywhere!!! Stuart
Guest chrisss Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 "PS would you think an idea towards this would be outlaw all foreign rung pigeons on the market in this country , thus promoting our own fanciers and their birds, I look forward to your thoughts on this." no offence but the last time i checked we had a free market economy like it or lump it we are stuck with foreign rung birds, where the birds comes from really matters not ,press coverage[printed or other media]would help a lot
retired Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 Stopping Foreign rung pigeons would be detremental to the sport over here although there is a lot of Foreign fanciers who target the English market as easy picking ground to swell there bank balances there is plenty of continental lofts that can enhance our lofts and birds. I think the main thing is to check what you are buying and dont just take the bird because it has a foreign ring on it which is a culture many English seem to do ( I know of a couple of fanciers local to myself who if they get a foreign bird in or even a NEHU thats it stock loft for life as it must be better than there own) If need be do some research, Stuart obviously did with regard to the Brazilian bird he has purchased.
joe61 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 vallance you hit the nail on the head i think people or agents who sell pigeons should pay tax on money itearns them also have vet visits 3 times ayear does anyone know what the R P R A puts back into the sport from fees paid the sport is fast going down hill oh happy days
timbarra Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Posted March 31, 2008 Stuart, I would then expect you will not be selling any birds from this Brazilian Champion you have purchased. As you would and I agree want to keep your edge over the rest of the competitors !! I commend you Stuart with regard to bringing within the reach of the fancy in this country the bloodlines of Raymond Molveld, but can you tell me , if Raymonds pigeons are as good as you stated, Why have you gone and bought a Brizilian pigeon and not utilised the Molveld pigeons to a more full potential ? I only race two familys of birds and I offer to other people within the sport the same as i keep and race myself, and think it shows some character of commitment to the family of birds housed and produced. I do not know the Molveld pigeons and sure as eggs is eggs you will inform me of their capabilitys. I do agree foreign birds are worthy to enhance our lofts , thats why I have 42 breeders 12 bred from foreign rung birds and 30 direct from Belgium and Holland. with regard to ploughing the money from purchases back into the sport in Britain, anyone who promotes people to buy foreign birds is taking the british economy abroad !! ask any politiciac they will agree. I think all have a contribution to the sport , wether your a racing man, a seller or stud, or even an agent, the advantages that go with having a vast fraternity of forces can only benefit the sport in general. spencer :-/
joe61 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 ive just got a bird from poland and is she a babe
just ask me Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 yes there is a lot of crap over here from Europe but that down to the buyer not the seller if there are ppl out there willing to part with there money but to stop foreign birds would be mad just think back through the years the great birds and strains that have come out of Europe and if u look in your own feds i would say in over 80percent of cases the top flyer is flying with foreign birds must be with sprint races anyway all i have to say is its us that buys these pigeons bad and good its up to us to filter through the bad and find the good can be hard at times i know even look at the one loft races most of the top results are filled with foreign birds even look Brian Shepperd his famous winner was half his own breed and i think the other lines was the sumo pigeon of jos thone so they can enhance our birds and make them better just to find the right birds is the problem only advice i can give when buying birds is location location location
retired Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 location = single most important factor in pigeons behind health
timbarra Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Posted March 31, 2008 yes there is a lot of crap over here from Europe but that down to the buyer not the seller if there are ppl out there willing to part with there money but to stop foreign birds would be mad just think back through the years the great birds and strains that have come out of Europe and if u look in your own feds i would say in over 80percent of cases the top flyer is flying with foreign birds must be with sprint races anyway all i have to say is its us that buys these pigeons bad and good its up to us to filter through the bad and find the good can be hard at times i know even look at the one loft races most of the top results are filled with foreign birds even look Brian Shepperd his famous winner was half his own breed and i think the other lines was the sumo pigeon of jos thone so they can enhance our birds and make them better just to find the right birds is the problem only advice i can give when buying birds is location location location Location, Location, Location ? you been watching to much day time tele ;D ;D I do agree but when people buy these foreign birds and sort through them, the ones found wanting end up in the BHW... people should learn how to select as you say but also cull the rubbish , not put them back on the market to recoup some money. I have culled foreign and british birds alike. rubbish does not ever leave my loft. i would rather cull than roll with the majority in the BHW. spencer
just ask me Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 timbarra my thoughts exactly but pll have to ask them selves when they see 5 or 6 year old pigeons for sale why i think its true though timbarra with the location some pll do live in what i like to call the golden gates or i robbed that saying off someone else but its a good one
timbarra Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Posted March 31, 2008 location = single most important factor in pigeons behind health Chris, a comment that has my total agreement...
timbarra Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Posted March 31, 2008 timbarra my thoughts exactly but pll have to ask them selves when they see 5 or 6 year old pigeons for sale why i think its true though timbarra with the location some pll do live in what i like to call the golden gates or i robbed that saying off someone else but its a good one yes I agree, i only get my meulemans from 2 places , herman beverdam and john Kirk !! these 2 gentleman have a big reputation to lose if they do not supply good top pigeons, this can work as your gaurentee. some odd bad ones do occure but these are culled at my lofts, i cant talk for everyone, There are people who sell rubbish and dont care, as there are people who do their best to sell quality. you cant please everyone all the time,
swilcox Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 Timbarra, how many races will you be sending to this season??
just ask me Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 right there some pll couldn't fly no matter what u give them what millage are these best at timberra
timbarra Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Posted March 31, 2008 Stuart, with all respect mate, I am unable to race this season due to me having moved house and I work every weekend and friday night, so as you are well aware mate i am unable to race domestically in my region. I also have a young family who take up most of my time as you can appreciate, children take up alot of time. I shall endeavour to race again domestically next season when my youngest is in full time school. hope this is ok with you or anyone else who doubts what my situation is, there is more to life than pigeons, not that i need to explain myself to you or anyone else, but thought it needed an explanation due to you thinking i wont race !! cant race due to present circumstances is best way it can be put. i am not getting drawn into an arguement with you stuart as I have a certain repect for you and your endeavours and only hope this respect is mutual. spencer
timbarra Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Posted March 31, 2008 right there some pll couldn't fly no matter what u give them what millage are these best at timberra what is , what best at , my birds you mean, if so they race well at 60 miles upto 400 miles but sure enough they will do the distance if tested, spencer
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