1949: old times vs. new times

[Guest Vic]

Tonight, marking for our final race, I was shown an old race sheet and balance sheet from a Liverpool club dated 1949. The club was the Spellow FC, which is still functioning today.

The present membership is no more than ten members, I imagine. Yet in 1949 they had 29 members paying full flying fees. But the most amazing part of it was:- The fees/subscriptions were £13.00 per member. A good two weeks wages for a working man

in those days. I started racing in 1955 and the full racing fee was £2.50. I just wonder whether one of the surviving old timers could tell us more about it. Cheers, Vic.

[Guest Vic]

Rose, I only glanced at it. A very old document it seemed by its colour, but obviously was reproduced on a pc.  Perhaps some parts were "touched up"  by one of our so called "whizz kids" that don't know what  the proper LSD  (pounds shillings and pence)was all about. Because, as I said previously, it was very unusual to have subs so high in them days. I'll follow it through. Cheers, Vic,.  

[paddymac]

Thats an amazing amount to pay back then Vic, Just wonder how the ordinary fancier back then managed to pay such a high sum, especially if they had a family to support.

[Guest chrisss]

thats an amazing sum to be paying just after the war,and we all moan about the price of subs and things today ;D ;D ;D ;D

[jimmy white]

that was expensive then,, i started in 1955 also   vic, ,subs then were £5    still very expensive ,as my fathers wages in the railway, was not much more than three times £5,,,,,,,,,and mine were 7 and 6 pence for doing an early morning and after school paper round ;D ;D ;D

 

this is an ad from a 1949 gazzette [you can just make out ,, weybridge ,,frazerburgh open race ,, one shilling a bird to enter ;D [ 5p now]  £10 for first £5 for second £3 for third ,,,,,,,good prize money anyway ;D  also see the old breeds for sale ;D  oh happy days ;D

[Guest chrisss]

i was looking at all of the so called "old strains" on the left, some of which are still going now

[ChrisMaidment08]

when i was a lad we used to earn 6 quid for working seven days a week could you imagein that now

[paddymac]

would,nt buy you a carry-out at your local chippie Chris

[Guest chrisss]

blimy i have spent more on fags [on a bad day]

[Guest Vic]

Thanks guys for your replies, I have a feeling that some of the original print, was wrongly converted from LSD to decimalisation, As I say I'll follow it through. Sammy Kelly may have some idea, as Sammy is one of the all time Liverpool greats still flying today.    

[Guest chrisss]

i wonder how much are their subs now?,and was it a better club "back then?"

[PIGEON_MAN]

that was expensive then,, i started in 1955 also   vic, ,subs then were £5    still very expensive ,as my fathers wages in the railway, was not much more than three times £5,,,,,,,,,and mine were 7 and 6 pence for doing an early morning and after school paper round ;D ;D ;D

 

this is an ad from a 1949 gazzette [you can just make out ,, weybridge ,,frazerburgh open race ,, one shilling a bird to enter ;D [ 5p now]  £10 for first £5 for second £3 for third ,,,,,,,good prize money anyway ;D  also see the old breeds for sale ;D  oh happy days ;D

Noticed that the race was for YOUNG BIRDS open to anyone flying over 420 miles,don,t think there would be many that would enter that now let alone 1949.

[Guest chrisss]

Noticed that the race was for YOUNG BIRDS open to anyone flying over 420 miles,don,t think there would be many that would enter that now let alone 1949.

 

could todays "modern strains" handle that sort of distance?,and would they make good birds afterwards?

[ch pied]

that was expensive then,, i started in 1955 also   vic, ,subs then were £5    still very expensive ,as my fathers wages in the railway, was not much more than three times £5,,,,,,,,,and mine were 7 and 6 pence for doing an early morning and after school paper round ;D ;D ;D

 

this is an ad from a 1949 gazzette [you can just make out ,, weybridge ,,frazerburgh open race ,, one shilling a bird to enter ;D [ 5p now]  £10 for first £5 for second £3 for third ,,,,,,,good prize money anyway ;D  also see the old breeds for sale ;D  oh happy days ;D

jimmy , i think it says 10/- bob a bird

 

 

[Roland]

Remember once in the pub, and a mate said 'One Day a pint of beer would cost two pounds ... I was earning £3. 12/6 that's£3 65p. We laughed him out the pub...

[jimmy white]

Noticed that the race was for YOUNG BIRDS open to anyone flying over 420 miles,don,t think there would be many that would enter that now let alone 1949.

 

zoomed in on that ad,, pigeon man ,,,your spot on ;D it IS yb,s flying over 420 miles,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they couldnt even look at that nowadays ;D,,,,  even in 1956 our yb national was 300 miles ;D  they couldnt even look at THAT nowadays  ;D

looking at the" breeds" at the side  [wonder how many remember the great tommy buck ;D]  again, zooming in,, noticed in ALL these breeds ,, had  very bold heads on the pigeons ,,,,,,,sorry to break in on that post vic,, but find all these old clubs etc  very interesting including yours , it would be interesting to see if theres any feed back on that one of yours  vic

[jimmy white]

jimmy , i think it says 10/- bob a bird

 

 

again your spot on ch pd ,, noticed that also when zooming in

[ my eyes must be worse than i thought ;D],,,,,,,,,,,now wondering if the newcommers know what a ten bob note was ;D ;D ;D   [a blinken lot then anyway ;D ;D ;D]

[Guest chrisss]

 

zoomed in on that ad,, pigeon man ,,,your spot on ;D it IS yb,s flying over 420 miles,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they couldnt even look at that nowadays ;D,,,,  even in 1956 our yb national was 300 miles ;D  they couldnt even look at THAT nowadays  ;D

looking at the" breeds" at the side  [wonder how many remember the great tommy buck ;D]  again, zooming in,, noticed in ALL these breeds ,, had  very bold heads on the pigeons ,,,,,,,sorry to break in on that post vic,, but find all these old clubs etc  very interesting including yours , it would be interesting to see if theres any feed back on that one of yours  vic

 

i would love to find out more about this, i think the history of the sport is important ,and very interesting, i still have a few [very few!!!] of the old british strains left and a cockbird is a cockbird [you can see the difference]

[jimmy white]

Remember once in the pub, and a mate said 'One Day a pint of beer would cost two pounds ... I was earning £3. 12/6 that's£3 65p. We laughed him out the pub...

 

i was on bigger wages  ;D ;D ;D in a box factory £3,15bob   a pint was i and 2 for light,, 1 and 3 for heavy ;D ;D ;D    3 and a half pound of the best pigeon mix was 2 and thrupence ;D ;D out st cuthberts store ;D ;D ;D

[just ask me]

 

could todays "modern strains" handle that sort of distance?,and would they make good birds afterwards?

 

thers too much made of strains good birds are good birds thers bad and good in them all id say that handle that distance no prob sure the 1 loft race in south Africa not as long as that but if memory severs me right its not to far off it the birds today are as good as ever if  not better some of the velocities today are mad they would not even dream of it years ago as regards losses to me there was always heavy losses i was out of the sport for a good few year and its the same pll loseing pigeons then as it is now only difference i an see today is that the pergine has exploded in numbers and this is a major cause  and of course the different diseases that are around there's so many now and i belive there are a few that we cant even see id imagine that 60% to 85% of lofts are sick and the fanicers don't even notice it the one difference that i can see in pigeons i used to to study eyes and all that gave it up now but  the pupil seems to be a lot bigger in pigeons today is this because of sickness i don't know other thing is with pupil  the pupil is a muscle in the eye so it dialetes in other wards gets bigger and smaller with the amount of light what i have noticed pigeons  few years back there pupil would dilate real quick when u bring them from dark too light or vice verse this dont seem to be the case today is this because pigeons have a sickness in there heads i don't know just something i have noticed or am i talking a whole load of bull just something to think about  

 

sorry about the rant just got carred away  

[jimmy white]

 

i would love to find out more about this, i think the history of the sport is important ,and very interesting, i still have a few [very few!!!] of the old british strains left and a cockbird is a cockbird [you can see the difference]

 

i think your right chriss  [dont think its going off topic" 1949"   hope not for vics sake ;D ;D ;D,,,

this is ruhr express the dicken medal winner ,,sold for a world record price £400  ;D

[jimmy white]

 

thers too much made of strains good birds are good birds thers bad and good in them all id say that handle that distance no prob sure the 1 loft race in south Africa not as long as that but if memory severs me right its not to far off it the birds today are as good as ever if  not better some of the velocities today are mad they would not even dream of it years ago as regards losses to me there was always heavy losses i was out of the sport for a good few year and its the same pll loseing pigeons then as it is now only difference i an see today is that the pergine has exploded in numbers and this is a major cause  and of course the different diseases that are around there's so many now and i belive there are a few that we cant even see id imagine that 60% to 85% of lofts are sick and the fanicers don't even notice it the one difference that i can see in pigeons i used to to study eyes and all that gave it up now but  the pupil seems to be a lot bigger in pigeons today is this because of sickness i don't know other thing is with pupil  the pupil is a muscle in the eye so it dialetes in other wards gets bigger and smaller with the amount of light what i have noticed pigeons  few years back there pupil would dilate real quick when u bring them from dark too light or vice verse is this because pigeons have a sickness in there heads i don't know just something i have noticed or am i talking a whole load of bull just something to think about  

 

sorry about the rant just got carred away  

 

not talking a load of bull,,very interesting,, it does get you carried away

[paddymac]

Jimmy, we could stick a few w/fs  in it an claim its Jan Aarden  ;D ;D ;D

[just ask me]

 

not talking a load of bull,,very interesting,, it does get you carried away

 

just woner did anyone else notice this

[Guest chrisss]

 

just woner did anyone else notice this

 

never saw a thing mate promise ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D