POLL YOUNGBIRD LOSSES

[Tony C]

Please vote for two of the most probable cause/s as to the problem.

 

 

[Guest]

weather conditions

every y/b race it was either raining with thunder

or poor visability

[tskyes]

MOBILE PHONES WOT`S THAT ALL ABOUT ?

[fletch]

MOBILE PHONES WOT`S THAT ALL ABOUT ?

 

i think it means signals in the air from phones desturbing the birds

[just ask me]

MOBILE PHONES WOT`S THAT ALL ABOUT ?

 

some kind of interference with there homing ability they reckon

 

i could be a 100 percent wrong but im back into pigeons after 10 years and it seems to me its the same pll with big loses as it was back then i was very young ok 10 years ago but still it the same pll that lose  3 4 5 young pigeons and its the same pll that have 3 4 5 left in there loft  this of course im working out on average over the last few year since my comeback anyone can have a bad year with young ones get busted by a hawk and lose 10 12 pigeons or more buts its the same pll every year that have this face  ??)every year  just around my area i noticed this  cant speak of anywhere else

 

one thing where i will say is gone where a bad race and waking up the next morning thinking they will be one on the loft or 2 dont see this as often  

 

just my point of view  i wrote this too on another post

[john niko]

i blame all these top men who are bringing birds into this country from all around the world and which are probabley some ill with new strains ov viruses thats my opinion

[just ask me]

i blame all these top men who are bringing birds into this country from all around the world and which are probabley some ill with new strains ov viruses thats my opinion

 

yes but how would we better what we have u may have a point but would England have had the results in the dax races without theses foreign breeds i think not

[jimmy white]

a really difficult one to answer , but i have went for" type of pigeon we race now" i beleive, in recent years we are now breeding pigeons that lack strong constitution, with generations now, being propped up with many types of medication ,including the over use of antibiotics in many cases [over a period of years] by the use of all these different medications our pigeons now take longer for any immunity to set properly in , remembering a pigeon is not really fully mature untill two years old ,,,,,,,and its now the  case, that  its a very carefull fancier who, in fact has many two year olds in his loft

[ChrisMaidment08]

haveing only had dordins spangles  bussarts   and in recent years vanloons deklaks and few others i think we are overdoseing our birds when they dont need it therefor ruining theeir bodys and therefor they have not the constitution they used to have and give up to easily

[jimmy white]

i know , being on panels with many top scottish distance fliers , that they would never dream of treating pigeons the way that is taken for the norm now,, the greatest to me was robert mc cormack of wynchburgh ,, i think something like in 25 years on the trot  was never off the blue ribband national ,,rennes , this was acheived by great pigeons, great management with the constitution bred in to them year by year  and certainly not by antibiotics  he was a master in the art of breeding and racing pigeons especialy for the distance , allthough robert doesnt race now,,im quite sure he would be shocked at some of the so- called methods now,he  put no importance at all in yb racing

[Andy8472]

i blame alot of young bird losses on respiratory problems such as ornithosis, a pigeon can't think straight with a head full of snot, 10/15 years ago pigeons handled orni well and raced with it but with people using alot of respiratory antibiotics eg doxy/tylan, erythromycin and not using them proper such as partial doses & not using the prescribed dose respiratory problems are alot more dangerous for our pigeons, how often do you hear your pigeons sneeze,rattling on & panting,blinking after exercise also scratching the same eye on thier wing sometimes causing it to go yellow with first clear then purulent liquid flowing out of the eye! i no alot of people who race pigeons that are black wattled sometimes with runny eyes clearly infected with a bad respiratory problem and your pigeons are in the same basket as them!! i suppose that's what pigeon racing is all about now "the never ending fight against diseases"

[Tony C]

i blame alot of young bird losses on respiratory problems such as ornithosis, a pigeon can't think straight with a head full of snot, 10/15 years ago pigeons handled orni well and raced with it but with people using alot of respiratory antibiotics eg doxy/tylan, erythromycin and not using them proper such as partial doses & not using the prescribed dose respiratory problems are alot more dangerous for our pigeons, how often do you hear your pigeons sneeze,rattling on & panting,blinking after exercise also scratching the same eye on thier wing sometimes causing it to go yellow with first clear then purulent liquid flowing out of the eye! i no alot of people who race pigeons that are black wattled sometimes with runny eyes clearly infected with a bad respiratory problem and your pigeons are in the same basket as them!! i suppose that's what pigeon racing is all about now "the never ending fight against diseases"

 

Andy I agree with you regarding respiratory, pigeons with a touch of canker, cocci or worms will get home albeit late, send one with respiratory and you'll not see it again

[Tony C]

i blame alot of young bird losses on respiratory problems such as ornithosis, a pigeon can't think straight with a head full of snot, 10/15 years ago pigeons handled orni well and raced with it but with people using alot of respiratory antibiotics eg doxy/tylan, erythromycin and not using them proper such as partial doses & not using the prescribed dose respiratory problems are alot more dangerous for our pigeons, how often do you hear your pigeons sneeze,rattling on & panting,blinking after exercise also scratching the same eye on thier wing sometimes causing it to go yellow with first clear then purulent liquid flowing out of the eye! i no alot of people who race pigeons that are black wattled sometimes with runny eyes clearly infected with a bad respiratory problem and your pigeons are in the same basket as them!! i suppose that's what pigeon racing is all about now "the never ending fight against diseases"

 

Just picking up on another point, I think the closed in lofts that many race to now are as much to blame as antibiotic abuse.

 

[superstar]

Well I've gone for poorly trained as I believe this years weather has caused havoc with peoples training programs. If like this poll sugests though its all down to unhealthy pigeons even if the fancier himself cant tell surely the basketing comittee can spot them a mile off and not put them through? Bloody hell its not rocket science yet the game is being dragged down by amatures if thats right? Cant see it being that myself but there again what the hell do I know eh!

[jimmy white]

i blame alot of young bird losses on respiratory problems such as ornithosis, a pigeon can't think straight with a head full of snot, 10/15 years ago pigeons handled orni well and raced with it but with people using alot of respiratory antibiotics eg doxy/tylan, erythromycin and not using them proper such as partial doses & not using the prescribed dose respiratory problems are alot more dangerous for our pigeons, how often do you hear your pigeons sneeze,rattling on & panting,blinking after exercise also scratching the same eye on thier wing sometimes causing it to go yellow with first clear then purulent liquid flowing out of the eye! i no alot of people who race pigeons that are black wattled sometimes with runny eyes clearly infected with a bad respiratory problem and your pigeons are in the same basket as them!! i suppose that's what pigeon racing is all about now "the never ending fight against diseases"

 

clearly any fancier attempting to put  birds in the basket in  this condition should be ashamed of him or herself as they should not be in the basket in the first place , and really the basketing committee should make sure of this, but again we have the vicious circle , because fancieres are losing so many , they are breeding more , and probably in the same space as they had in the past year,therefore adding to their losses instead of cutting their losses ,,,,,,,,,and producing more desease , then the antibiotics to prop up , then again the vicious circle?

[jimmy white]

Please vote for two of the most probable cause/s as to the problem.

 

 

just noticed the" two" part ;D,,,,just a bit slow ;D

 

my second cause of the problem is ,,,,something we dont yet know,,, as i mentioned in my posting, there is much we do know,,, but theres a big chunk of the jig-saw we dont know ,,and thats the main bit , whatever that" something" is,,,,,,,,we have yet to find out

[tippler1]

i will agree with that

[jimmy white]

i have went on my second vote ,,,,and now see the result    ,,,less than 100 pc healthy pigeons,,it seems most of us have agreed on this

[thunderboult]

i blame alot of young bird losses on respiratory problems such as ornithosis, a pigeon can't think straight with a head full of snot, 10/15 years ago pigeons handled orni well and raced with it but with people using alot of respiratory antibiotics eg doxy/tylan, erythromycin and not using them proper such as partial doses & not using the prescribed dose respiratory problems are alot more dangerous for our pigeons, how often do you hear your pigeons sneeze,rattling on & panting,blinking after exercise also scratching the same eye on thier wing sometimes causing it to go yellow with first clear then purulent liquid flowing out of the eye! i no alot of people who race pigeons that are black wattled sometimes with runny eyes clearly infected with a bad respiratory problem and your pigeons are in the same basket as them!! i suppose that's what pigeon racing is all about now "the never ending fight against diseases"

 

i don't know what your pigeons are like but if your birds are as described above you clearly got problems there(if it's somebody else's birds your on about then they got the problems). i'll get the odd sneeze(the birds not me) but that's about it. and as for birds being put in sick if you don't say something to stop it your as bad as them. if you got respo problems cut down on the number of birds in there or increase the ventilation.

i believe most of my the losses are down to clashing/hawks  . i also think that birds of today are kept lighter and leaner than birds of yesteryear and as a result don't have the resources to fall back on if they make a mistake/ scattered by a hawk. how many keen young bird racer's do you know don't feed em on a friday or very little(cruel gits). try this.. have no food tommorrow thenget up the next day and go and run a marathon and see how far you get.

[grizzal]

we belive poorly trained due to the bad weather in the run up to 1st races, and some birds not 100%

[Guest IB]

Cheated a bit: went for methods/ feeding & clashing, because I think 'methods' covers many of the issues which have seperate votes.  

 

I can only compare what happened with YBs yonks ago (1960's) and now; (1) there wasn't anything like the numbers bred now (2) they were fed staple diet of beans, maples, maize & wheat (3) they were trained with around 10/12 other fancier's pigeons in 10 mile stages on line of flight 6 days a week, for around 3 weeks before first race (4) They all flew programme 50 miles - 150 miles. (5) You'd lose maybe 3/4 tops, anything that didn't make it on Saturday was there 1st thing Sunday.

 

I think private training makes clashing when it happens, worse. Joint training teaches the birds to break from the batch for home. Private training, is just follow-the-leader. So on race days if they are in the wrong batch there's nothing in their head telling them 'time to find my own way home'. Just my personal opinion, 'a gut-feeling' rather than knowledge / evidence.

 

 

[Delboy]

EVERYBODY FORGOT ABOUT HAWKS

[Wiley]

id have to go poorly trained as i dont think the ybs are trained early enough these days, being bred early

[allenyeates]

Too many y.b.s. bred and we should be ltd. to the number  of rings we can have.  3years  should do it and watch the number of losses drop. Best across the best and nothing else.....Same as dogs/ferrets  etc. and I have both all my life and would not breed from anything ifffy(too many ferrets to feeed0

[Guest surfer]

I think a lack of basic basket training, especially teaching them to drink has a lot to do with the losses. Some fanciers think a bird will find the water, but I think lucky is the bird who when put in a race basket for the first time nervous and afraid, finds the water trough and takes a drink. And those that do'nt may not find the comfort of their own loft on that day.

GOODBYE.I think.

Surfer.