SNFC /RPRA

[maverick]

Ijust dont see why the rules need changed if you want to join join and abide by the rules, then all stand together and get things sorted out as should have happened before and not run away and leave the mess to sort itself out as this will never happen, If all stand together as one things will work out.

[frank-123]

personally i would go for joint convoying and get both committee's around the table to get talking for a start

aim to have rules in place say 2010 that both camps would be happy with there are lots of issues to sort out before one national

but it can be done if there is give and take on both side's

[Guest]

is that not what hapened at the meeting 4/5 years ago mav.the snfc rules are fine dont have a prob with them untill the bit where it says with the right to apeal to the shu do you think that would be fair to members of the snfc who were not members of the shu would they get a fair hearing ? would the shu be willing to deal with them given that they have no powers over them? dont think so and my measurments are diferent from yours and i dont pay to get them will the snfc bear the cost for them

[Guest]

i agree bart i think that should be the first step but that isnt what has been proposed by the snfc comitee

[maverick]

is that not what hapened at the meeting 4/5 years ago mav.the snfc rules are fine dont have a prob with them untill the bit where it says with the right to apeal to the shu do you think that would be fair to members of the snfc who were not members of the shu would they get a fair hearing ? would the shu be willing to deal with them given that they have no powers over them? dont think so and my measurments are diferent from yours and i dont pay to get them will the snfc bear the cost for them

 

We all know there is a lot to sort out and it needs sorted out as the way things are going and the rise in costs each week now not each year If it is not sorted it will cost a fortune to race the birds and the last thing you will be worried about is the 40p each distance will cost you

[frank-123]

i agree bart i think that should be the first step but that isnt what has been proposed by the snfc comitee

 

only a proposal frank!! maybe people on the snfc committee want one national just like many scotsmen but have not thought it out properly

but at least there is talk like this forum where sensible discussion's have taken place talking is the only way forward you know it and so do i

 

 

[maverick]

TO be honest bart you have hit the nail on the head most scotsmen would like to be back to one NATIONAL and time for all the bitching about either union should stop and lets get back together and sort this mess out like the men we are or should be.

[Guest]

true bart i just think that there would need some rule changes to make it work if this one passes alot of snrpc may still feel that it was not possible just yet if they still had to deal with the shu bart could you imagine say peter virtue going in front of the shu comitee for a ruleing do you think he would get a fair crack of the whip i dont think so

[Guest]

true bart i just think that there would need some rule changes to make it work if this one passes alot of snrpc may still feel that it was not possible just yet if they still had to deal with the shu bart could you imagine say peter virtue going in front of the shu comitee for a ruleing do you think he would get a fair crack of the whip i dont think so

 

The recomendation is also no suspended members

To me that was the prob from the start.Even if it gets passed there will still be 2 nationals untill they get them lifted

[JOHNNY WISHBONE]

 

The recomendation is also no suspended members

To me that was the prob from the start.Even if it gets passed there will still be 2 nationals untill they get them lifted

 

No point in talking about it,  if they're not going to lift the suspensions of the few members.

[Guest IB]

So would that 'amnesty' include ALL suspended members, or just those who may fly with SNRPC?

 

I think it is a very contentious issue and sets a dangerous precedent -as having been suspended by one organisation, is all that is now required in the future to get it lifted is to cause a split in that organisation and hold it to ransom until the suspension is lifted?

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

there are NO TRUE suspensions thats been resolved or are the shu going to deny the out come of the meeting with les blackcock and john barlow regarding the so cauled suspended members and this thread was to do with the snfc and the  proposal and all the latest talk is about the shu and what they have done or not done some one said earlier the snfc needs to shake off the shu or none of the rpra can join, the snfc is older than the shu so why should the rule them???????? atomy might have spelt it wrong but thats what is needed nice and simple but certain people cant let that go

[Guest IB]

Can't answer your question, Frank. As you say there was a meeting at the beginning of the year between SHU & Cumbria Region but the focus of the thread on this Site was on how that meeting was run rather than its outcome.

 

This thread was running for some time before 'suspension' was mentioned. I'm not sure these suspensions have anything to do with the SNFC? - and therefore may have no jurisdiction over lifting them? - a red herring, rather than a spanner in the works perhaps?  

[frank-123]

still come's down to the same issue   TALKING

[rebel]

there is very little chance of the committees recomendation going through bacause the same tired old crowd will turn up and propose each others recomendations as before and the people who voted against them last time are either out of the snfc or in the minority  

[Guest]

i think you might be right rebel if we couldnt do it when we all could vote cant see it passing now and i think the rule changes needed to make it work doesnt help but lets wait and see it would be interisting to hear what the shu die hards feel about it

[dkj]

i think the  non members of the snfc that want a say they should rejoin the shu and the snfc and then they could have a say why should the snfc change there rules which have always been there. ithink they want 2 much but they are not willing 2 do there part. i agree it should be one but both have wok at it not just the snfc

[Guest]

the rule changes will only be needed if this one passes and that would only be fair to non shu members to allow them the right of appeal after all even murderers get that right or are we worse than them???

[maverick]

there are NO TRUE suspensions thats been resolved or are the shu going to deny the out come of the meeting with les blackcock and john barlow regarding the so cauled suspended members and this thread was to do with the snfc and the  proposal and all the latest talk is about the shu and what they have done or not done some one said earlier the snfc needs to shake off the shu or none of the rpra can join, the snfc is older than the shu so why should the rule them???????? atomy might have spelt it wrong but thats what is needed nice and simple but certain people cant let that go

 

ON the suspensions can you enlighten us why these members were suspended in the first place

[Guest]

they were summond to a meeting with the shu after the fed held a properly convened meeting and decided to leave the shu and join the rpra they then sent a letter to the shu to resign but you cant do that from a union you can only do that from a club so they wrote again to  say they wanted no more to do with them and the shu suspended the officals for non attendance but none of this is relavant any more after the meeting with both unions last year they both agreed that none of the members of the rpra are suspended members but again is the shu in charge of the snfc if this rule was passed then if any member wishing to join the snfc WHO IS FREE FROM SUSPENSION FROM HIS UNION would be eligable to join the only prob that remained would be the rule changes needed for the right of apeal etc.

[Guest IB]

Frank, something Johno posted a while back on the SNFC Ypres thread (about this race being 'open to anyone') he raised the question does anyone also include suspended members especially a group he called 'the big 4'. Maybe not a question for you really, but as this relates to same question raised by Maverick, is there a second group of suspended members perhaps?

[Guest]

not to my knoledge ian but i think you will find that was before it was sorted by the two unions but we are still missing the point ian thease so cauled suspended members are not suspended in the eyes of the rpra so if the snfc opens its membership up to any other unions then thease members are entiled to join they are not susp. with rpra or is the shu going to over rule a decision taken by the members of the snfc about there own club now that would be interisting the snfc should be alowed to alow any members they want if not they are not running their own club

[maverick]

The bit that i cant work out is how did these members who were suspended in the first place by the S.H.U.  ever get into the R.P.R.A  AS SUSPENDED MEMBERS they should not have been able to get membership, very good way to run there union let anyone join .

[Guest]

The bit that i cant work out is how did these members who were suspended in the first place by the S.H.U.  ever get into the R.P.R.A  AS SUSPENDED MEMBERS they should not have been able to get membership, very good way to run there union let anyone join .

 

think they were members of the rpra b4 they got suspended

[Guest]

yes thats right clockman