Birds for sale section

[ChrisMaidment08]

like you phil i sit watch treads and i found that when it comes to reg sellers there is no problem with stupid questions but every one else seems to get it why it makes you wonder just who is heckling novice sellers on here

[Guest malonebros]

i've just sat and read this thread and find it interesting that the people who recently have been knocking and hyjacking sales havn't commented!

My feeling about this is that if sellers have nothing to hide then why lock the thread but there maybe a case for questions to that thread being screaned before going live to allow the seller to answer genuine questions.

Don't forget we do have a good and bad seller/buyer thread for anybody who has had problems.

 

Phil

 

here,here! when selling birds on here ive always left it open so fanciers can ask what they need to know,unfortunatly you do get people who jump on posts when people try to offer birds but as you only need to look through my thread to see how many fanciers have been happy with birds i have sent out.

i used to work in a pet shop/pigeon feed shop and was always told.....

 

''the customer was always right'' just a shame other uninterested fanciers think they are.

[Michael J Burden]

Number of ways of asking questions.

 

 

1. Tell me what you know about the bird?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,very good opener, but probably not going to get your specific question asked.

 

This is much better.....

 

2. It is called the 5 Wh's?  

 

(i) What         What do you want for it?

(ii) When       When did you buy it?

(iii) Who        Who are you?

(iv) Where     Where are you living?

(v) Why         Why are you selling such a good bird?

(vi) How        How many relatives are winning?

 

Some of the above are useful in asking a seller a question.

 

Not so good....

 

Has it done anything, mate?

 

ans=  "yes"

 

Does not tell you anyhting because it is a closed questionand you gave them the answer which is "yes"

 

To get the answer you want use 5WH's :-

 

What has it done? This means a simple yes and no answer makes no sense.

 

Closed questions give the asker nothing in return but a yes and no answer.

 

Another question is bad too, it is the multi question. ie lots of questions in one sentence. The seller will only answer the ones he thinks make them look good and will conveniently ignore the one you actually wished to ask. It makes it look like he is co-operating.

 

How much is it worth, why are you selling it has it bred any thing, where do you live?

 

The above has only one element which is important. "Has it bred anything?"

 

The answe you may get is. " I paid lots for my team of birds. I have too many birds and Ilive in the Midlands"

 

It should be "What has it bred?"  Wait for the answer, it corners them into answering it. If you chuck in too many questions and don't get your answer, you can become frustrated ask another multiple question still you do not the answer you want and ask another and then you look lke the bad guy when in fact you are not, the other guy is being selective in his answers.

 

Hope this helps anyone. What do you think?

[Guest]

Number of ways of asking questions.

 

 

1. Tell me what you know about the bird?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,very good opener, but probably not going to get your specific question asked.

 

This is much better.....

 

2. It is called the 5 Wh's?  

 

(i) What         What do you want for it?

(ii) When       When did you buy it?

(iii) Who        Who are you?

(iv) Where     Where are you living?

(v) Why         Why are you selling such a good bird?

(vi) How        How many relatives are winning?

 

Some of the above are useful in asking a seller a question.

 

Not so good....

 

Has it done anything, mate?

 

ans=  "yes"

 

Does not tell you anyhting because it is a closed questionand you gave them the answer which is "yes"

 

To get the answer you want use 5WH's :-

 

What has it done? This means a simple yes and no answer makes no sense.

 

Closed questions give the asker nothing in return but a yes and no answer.

 

Another question is bad too, it is the multi question. ie lots of questions in one sentence. The seller will only answer the ones he thinks make them look good and will conveniently ignore the one you actually wished to ask. It makes it look like he is co-operating.

 

How much is it worth, why are you selling it has it bred any thing, where do you live?

 

The above has only one element which is important. "Has it bred anything?"

 

The answe you may get is. " I paid lots for my team of birds. I have too many birds and Ilive in the Midlands"

 

It should be "What has it bred?"  Wait for the answer, it corners them into answering it. If you chuck in too many questions and don't get your answer, you can become frustrated ask another multiple question still you do not the answer you want and ask another and then you look lke the bad guy when in fact you are not, the other guy is being selective in his answers.

 

Hope this helps anyone. What do you think?

 

Really good advice Michael, it is respectful and still to the point. Recently on here there has been a lot of blunt questions asked to sellers, they may or may not be right, but come across as "aggressivley prodding" someone in the chest demanding answers, which auromatically gets the seller on the defensive back foot, and then a tit for tat seems to develop. I certainly don't disagree with pertinent questions being asked, but surely they could be put across in a more tactful way like you reference above! Just my opinion!   But, like i say, i think its good advice you give there, and for what its worth, i think you've been posting some good interesting enjoyable stuff lately!

 

[Guest]

or stage name!!!!!!!  roly

[Guest]

Well I think this has been a god debate with many relevant points, for sure we ain't gonna fix everything and for sure we all have different opinions. We're all different but the good thing that comes out of this is that most of us are very proud to be members of this site and care about it.

And I must say that Richard the site owner (and Gemma) have my utmost admiration and respect for allowing us to often go off on one and rarely pull the reins in. I genuinly believe a lot of stuff on here would not be tolerated on other sites. And no I'm not criticising other sites, they all have their strengths and weaknesses and I love going on each one.

[Guest strapper]

yes a good debate, we all have different views but we all stride to get the same .

hope we get more good debates like this in future.

[Guest Vic]

Yes! There are quite a number of sincere fanciers on Basics. and without these guys , we would all be the poorer for it.  The guys I am wary about, are the ones that only post just after racing, and "play" on their performances, without even giving the full details of what they are flying against. i.e.  birdage, members etc.  Always remember that there are also a number of the "Big Boys" who are just greedy buggers.      

[DOVEScot]

I really cant understand why anyone would want to sell their birds under an alias surely you would want to use your flying name people can then check up on any info on you and what your birds done   If i intended to sell birds and i was using an alias on here seems bit pointless as that is not the name i fly under and not the name that i have done anything under and the birds are going to be transferred in my flying name not some alias  :-/

 

I think the alias is only a problem when they are newcomers to the site, there are very little that post their own name but that does not stop you being conned either. No matter what you call yourself you build a reputation on the site either good, bad or indifferent :-/

I still think you should be allowed an alias only along with your proper name in certain areas of the site, especially in the for sale section, both buyers and sellers :-/

[swilcox]

Well Vic some people try to be open and honest and do the best for people, i would like to think i fall into that category.

 

Stuart

[Guest]

You could call yourself as my mate already did Ivor Biggun (he's lying) it would make no difference. Look at the avater and below it says location , how many for example give that. I used to say Tiverton now I say Devon, why because of loft security... buggered that now!!

[Guest]

Well Vic some people try to be open and honest and do the best for people, i would like to think i fall into the category.

 

Stuart

 

There's not a person on here that wouldn't say that Stuart and that includes those that may not be

 

[swilcox]

Cheers Albear

[Guest strapper]

You could call yourself as my mate already did Ivor Biggun (he's lying) it would make no difference. Look at the avater and below it says location , how many for example give that. I used to say Tiverton now I say Devon, why because of loft security... buggered that now!!

 

 

the only security ive got is next door ..she,s in the window more than the curtains lol

 

ive named her ..securidor...her names not dor but securijules didnt sound so good lol

 

[Guest]

No probs Stu and i'd happily buy off you, I think you are 100% when selling birds .. but I'd rather select myself, mind you I suppose you might sell me a cock to breed a 1st section NFC again, have to think about that ;D

[HHHH]

That was a good buy by us he is class.

[Roland]

Well, I suppose then, that taken that line Rose, one would only buy from thoses who's results are shown and known. Where in the real world, many time far far better birds on the day aren't even mention. It would take a lot of time, effort, patience to work out the reality of Location, wind, birdage, when sent for training etc. etc.

We all know, if Honest, many 'Names' that aren't really doing the bius, and further aren't selling from the real deal. Just where does one draw the line? Indeed which direction?

[Guest]

Agree with Rose about some of those not as well known still having quality birds! Work and family commtments may mean some people cannot do justice to their birds whereas others may be at the lofts every minute of the day, and can get the maximum out of the birds they have! Old age can take its toll aswell, i've seen "old aces," where the results have slipped only because their own "legs" have gone, the birds, the real gear, were still there! Very interesting topic though!  

[Guest]

That was a good buy by us he is class.

 

Agreed

 

[DOVEScot]

 

I agree with the majority of what you are saying nothing wrong with having an alias but I do think when it comes to selling birds you should use your correct flying name I dont say it would stop anyone being conned but if you follow results at least you are going to possibly see their name and their performances gives a bit of an indication to what they got and what they can do  

 

That is exactly what I am saying Rose, if you are selling or buying birds on the site your real name should accompany the alias, if you are proud of your birds and nothing to hide what would be the problem :-/

Duncan Reid aka DOVEScot :-/ I bet there are a lot more people would associate people with their name in their local area or the pigeon world but their MAIN alias in the Cyber world. The same with studs like Louella are