Birds for sale section

[DOVEScot]

well its as stated on members list  tom123 would soon jump in if i tryed to pull fast one and 4 other members one only 400 yards from my house ;D ;D ;D

 

The fact is we all know of dishonest people on the site but are we allowed to post it, NAW incase we upset them :-/

[ChrisMaidment08]

one way i would consider is birds put on locked thread so members can see and digest then contact admin to enter then if mess about theyy are removed and not allowed back on if it continues on other sales then they are not allowed to bid full stop it may creat more work but will it also peaple like andrew who use it to pump sites get same treatment hence nomore stress

[Guest]

 

The fact is we all know of dishonest people on the site but are we allowed to post it, NAW incase we upset them :-/

 

I think we should all know those who can be proven to be dishonest ............ At least it protects the integrity of the HONEST fancier who tries to sell birds............ and for that matter the HONEST buyers

[Guest]

what about details of buyer and seller

phone nos registerd with the site as could be open to abuse

eg

 

djw--david will

aberdeen

club if aplicable -mastrick rpc

sec-fed-williedoo

club -g reid

 

what do you think

[Guest strapper]

some may not know this but every seller now has to register with richard before becoming a seller.

their address name and federation phone number all known to richard .

i think it should be said that if this rule applys, then shouldnt the exact apply to buyers?..because who,s to know they can be trusted when making a bid? if we dont know them and their new starters?

now im not stating anyone in this but in general...shouldnt it be equal on both sides.

a good number seems to be giving their thoughts on sellers but no one seems to be mentioning buyers and who they are?

so would it be more sense to have a rule that both sellers and buyers need to be registered to protect both parties?

this is starting to be a big issue on this site and i believe something has to be done to ease both parties.

only my opinion like anybody elses.

 

 

[Guest strapper]

what about details of buyer and seller

phone nos registerd with the site as could be open to abuse

eg

 

djw--david will

aberdeen

club if aplicable -mastrick rpc

sec-fed-williedoo

club -g reid

 

what do you think

 

 

u beat me too it lol

 

[Guest]

 

 

u beat me too it lol

 

was away to say

but you beat me  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Roland]

Have no fears, nor problems with false names, as always it is the content that counts.

Hence for my twopence worth I feel best left on an open forum. Not just for selling and everu and any other topic.

Roland

P.s real name Ivor Newman   ;D ;D

[Guest strapper]

Have no fears, nor problems with false names, as always it is the content that counts.

Hence for my twopence worth I feel best left on an open forum. Not just for selling and everu and any other topic.

Roland

P.s real name Ivor Newman   ;D ;D

 

is that ur professional stage name or birth name lol lol lol

 

 

[just ask me]

well to be honest i don't want to give out my name here as i have to deal with enough s**t and i mean big time S**t i don't sell here so it doesnt really effect me

 

cant see why there not more warnings given out to pll about unreasonable questions this should put a end to it farilly quick but i think u should be able to ask questions in the open forum i.e

what results the bird has against how many birds its parents results

if u have bred off the pigeon all ready

and results of brothers and sisters

and children of the pigeon

distance that the birds achieved the results

and area u live in

even where u both the parents if they were bought for sock

what else does anyone need to know

[Guest youngzimmy]

i f you like the doo buy it if you dont dont bother what do people want a complete set of finger prints and swear on the bible sent on video that you are not lying about it

[ChrisMaidment08]

yep

[Guest]

I think my original point is that a)locking a thread is of no value. AND b)If someone comes on and says this is pure fancy name and is selling beacause it is fancy name then it is not unreasonable to ask for proof. It is impossible to have a set question process in my opinion. It is down to what is being claimed, if something is claimed then it should e verifiable, questions however should not be asked if it does not relate to what is being claimed.

I don't think though that someone saying this is an outsatnding pigeon because it has a pedigree should be tolerated either. Amn outstanding pigeon is one that has some great perfromances or is a great breeder. Or possibly the direct child of outstanding pigeons. Common sense must prevail but those that whinge about the tone of a  question and don't answer the question hiding behind the hurt should have their seller status removed that would solve the problem I think

[DOVEScot]

i f you like the doo buy it if you dont dont bother what do people want a complete set of finger prints and swear on the bible sent on video that you are not lying about it

 

Yep that would do for a start  

[Guest Vic]

Surely, Basics should have a selling and buying slot, (STOP) as happens within all our dailies etc. And take a back slot.

No introductions whatsoever,  on our normal forum membership site board.  Some guys in this game will only contribute to our periodicals, if there is something in it for them. The BHW  even allowed a scribe back, who was known for scratching would- be sellers backs, by free, pre advertising. I am surprised that some basic members, where allowed to preach their acheivements this year, and still use the normal channels of Basics to advertise and

make money.  I can see and smell them coming. Thank God, No small wonder the country and pigeon racing is in a mess, Thanks to the Greedy *expletive removed*.        

[Roland]

Well as beauty is in the eye of a beholder, so is the pedigree, fortunately every ones taste in meat is not same.! Likewise WITH the fairer sex... or I'd have ques of horny toads outside my door all day and night, and Maidment nowt... Instead I have hordes of screaming women seeking me... Knew I shouldn't borrowed of so many lol.

So let me relate a little story. Went to Louella to meet up with a good buddy. We saw some great birds. He bought a few, me I was too tight. He looked at the eyes - not eye sign - and I looked and had a feeling, then I'd just pick up to see if it was the same when I held it.

Wasn't a 100 miles adrift, but too be honest there was a lot of good class birds for sale, and at £30 to £35 were fantastic value.

So we goes back to my loft. Yeah 80% likes what I thought was cool he 'Liked' full stop. 1 -2 -3  he thought would make a racer or breeder.

Not offended of course, indeed more intrigued - better than codswallp loads of insincere twaddle to please - Yes intrigued as to what they do, or don't do. Most up to 2 year olds never been to a race yet. All will go pretty much the program North and South, alternating as I decide what for what race.

So this time next year, we may well be both a little right, or one of us way out.

But it will be interesting to say the least.

Likewise when buying and selling. Lets have the silly questions from some, as they are possibly important to the person that is buying. Others will always soon have a 'Eye out' for the con artiste, who will be out in the open, and the seller beware. Simple really.

[Guest strapper]

i think there may also be a little idea going the rounds that some dont get questioned who sell, while others do......there is 1 or 2 fanciers wondering is this being done so someone else sells birds freely.

in other words , take this person  he/she tares at for sale posts untill that sale looks dodgy. the buyer thinks whoa ill keep from him!...while all the while the seller has done nothing wrong!

so in the mean time, someone else selling birds( who this other guy is friendly with) has all the freedom he wants  and buyers going to him.

 

wouldnt it be a shock if someone was.. actually doing this?...just a thought

 

[Guest youngzimmy]

MAYBE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING IDEAS INTO DODGY  CROOKS HEADS AFTERALL READING SOME O THIS COULD BE INFO FOR CROOKS

[steve]

some may not know this but every seller now has to register with richard before becoming a seller.

their address name and federation phone number all known to richard .

i think it should be said that if this rule applys, then shouldnt the exact apply to buyers?..

 

think this is would help a lot  

 

or could sommit like this work????????????

when you bid at most auctions you need to register then you are given a number

if you are winning bidder you show number

i know this probably won't work on a forum but sommit along these lines could do maybe

[Guest]

What if someone does not fly in a federation or club? What if someone wants to remain anonymous, the buyer is shelling out, why does s/he need to be registered, don't get it? If you're dealing with a wrong un who is trying to purchase your bird, don't think s/he is going to supply you with genuine info

[Roland]

Agreed Albear... the Buyer has everyright to stay anno, and for whatever reason they feel.

Likewise the seller. If they say that they have great birds and have done something special of not, or  -Like me - say have introduced quite a few untested birds FOR ME, and I want for any reason to off load, I should be able to say 'Bought in good faith, have great store from where they've come from, but have 24 racing team already, and then 20 pair of stock... two rounds, is far too many, so the buyer has the same chance as I took, and may be great, may not ....

What damage is done. If they look cool, and in good fettle etc when new own gets them, then I am in credit to some already. If one or two breed winners, great nowt WRONG with his' birds I can vouch...

Now a top flyer would be more than pleased with 8 winners every 200 birds that passes through his hands...

A real flyer will only ave 12 pairs and do the buisness. But in this day of Quantity over quality, too many are relying on just one or two being 'Good / let alone great I'm afraid.

I have a few that will, as I say fly right through two Rds, between them.

Next year I may well already have another round coming... But the year after that I must surely know what is any good of what is left... So,

[Guest]

i think there may also be a little idea going the rounds that some dont get questioned who sell, while others do......there is 1 or 2 fanciers wondering is this being done so someone else sells birds freely.

in other words , take this person  he/she tares at for sale posts untill that sale looks dodgy. the buyer thinks whoa ill keep from him!...while all the while the seller has done nothing wrong!

so in the mean time, someone else selling birds( who this other guy is friendly with) has all the freedom he wants  and buyers going to him.

 

wouldnt it be a shock if someone was.. actually doing this?...just a thought

Do you know I thought that happened to me . A prospective buyer pm me quite a bit was after a pigeon that was a half brother to a fed winner and told me that bird would be in his loft and then went and bought pigeons from a similar source that had no performance to go with them instead. But hey the buyer has the perogative, it's his choice.

I payed £300 for one pigeon I sold on here and it went for only 20% of what I paid. I was dissapointed but the choice was simple, the bird had to go didn't fit in with my plans so 20% was better than killing it or going through the faf of sending an advert off to the BHW and paying for the ad not knowing whether the bird would sell on here. You know what it's like strapper you enquired about selling on Pigeon Chat but to do that you have to pay £25 up front, did you take that option? I doubt it (I wouldn't have) not when pigeon basics will take your ad for free and you are asked for a 10% contribution if you sell.

And that's the fundamental point it's so very easy on here to put a bird up for sale, so if you're asked a question answer it and if you don't want to answer just ignore it and accept a prospective buyer always has the right to ask as the seller has the right to decline to answer. Bit like a court of law isn't it, if a defendant refuses to testify then inference can be taken.

 

[Michael J Burden]

Asking questions is a skill. If you get it wrong you don't always get the answer you sort in the first place.

[Guest strapper]

Do you know I thought that happened to me . A prospective buyer pm me quite a bit was after a pigeon that was a half brother to a fed winner and told me that bird would be in his loft and then went and bought pigeons from a similar source that had no performance to go with them instead. But hey the buyer has the perogative, it's his choice.

I payed £300 for one pigeon I sold on here and it went for only 20% of what I paid. I was dissapointed but the choice was simple, the bird had to go didn't fit in with my plans so 20% was better than killing it or going through the faf of sending an advert off to the BHW and paying for the ad not knowing whether the bird would sell on here. You know what it's like strapper you enquired about selling on Pigeon Chat but to do that you have to pay £25 up front, did you take that option? I doubt it (I wouldn't have) not when pigeon basics will take your ad for free and you are asked for a 10% contribution if you sell.

And that's the fundamental point it's so very easy on here to put a bird up for sale, so if you're asked a question answer it and if you don't want to answer just ignore it and accept a prospective buyer always has the right to ask as the seller has the right to decline to answer. Bit like a court of law isn't it, if a defendant refuses to testify then inference can be taken.

 

ur right in many ways albear in what uve said , but actually ive made recently a donation to this site , and another will be going to this site soon,i dont mind saying what i donated ...£15 that was from my 1st sales on here a few  weeks back...now i will make another donation soon.

i wasnt bothered by the £25 askin price by p/chat as i will most prob pay more than double that on here. i was comparing prices on all sites....i only sell on this site.

im giving back to the site , dont know if everyone that sells does  but thats none of my business.

ive not declined to answer any questions that have been given me, but cannot it be said that the best way to ask is civil and your get more.

ive not had one bad report on ANY of my sales so far, we all know of each other on this site more or less and we all know how simple it is for someone to come in unknown (like coxy) and ruin it for buyers...i know i was one that got fooled by coxy but i did a bit of investigation before hand and found him out....before i parted with money. i wouldnt wanna get a name like him.

but lets be serious, like urself i sell birds(but only recently started this) if you or i or anyone, was found to be selling and conning people where does it get you?  no where selling items in the future, we both have witnessed how a person has been blasted a mr h.

i think we all need to keep our eyes open for fanciers trying to con others but lets all try to be civil with each other and enjoy our time on here, there is no need for any hostility amongst the regulars.

so i say lets not assume that someone is conning people because he may not answer a question, give them time ..dont give them the third degree because what will happen they will clam up more.

 

 

[pjc]

i've just sat and read this thread and find it interesting that the people who recently have been knocking and hyjacking sales havn't commented!

My feeling about this is that if sellers have nothing to hide then why lock the thread but there maybe a case for questions to that thread being screaned before going live to allow the seller to answer genuine questions.

Don't forget we do have a good and bad seller/buyer thread for anybody who has had problems.

 

Phil