supersonic steptoe Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 CHAMPION 1 LOFT RACE 2009 RULES & ENTRY FORM Race Organiser is Neil Steptoe, 66 Coldshot Holland, Oxted Surrery RH8 9BJ, 07769 794977. Race limited to 120 birds, at a cost of £100.00 per bird, maximum of 2 birds per entrant. First come first served. A £25.00 deposit secures your place, you can choose to pay in instalments, final payments must be received by the 15th March. If full payment is not received by this date the entry will be cancelled and the deposit will be non refundable. Birds will be accepted from the 1st to the 30th April, birds can be replaced until the 15th of May in the event of a flyaway or illness/death. Birds to be 25 to 40 days old. All entrants must be delivered with a pedigree and transfer form. Birds will be vaccinated after at the lofts. Birds will be put onto darkness until the 20th June, when private training only will commence. There will be two races with the London and South East Classic Club, usually Guernsey 165 miles race dates to be confirmed approximately mid August and early September. Prize pool will be £11,000 assuming a full entry, this will be split as follows, for each of the two races; 1st £2,250, 2nd £1,000 3rd, £750, 4th £500, 5th £250 6th to 10th £100 There will be an ace pigeon prize of £500 for the bird that completes both races in the shortest time. Any prizemoney won in the London & SECC will also go to the breeder of the bird. Following the two races there may be the opportunity for entrants with birds remaining to activate them to compete in the Tours race held at the end of September. The estimated cost will be £50.00 per bird, prizemoney after costs will be split as follows; 1st 40%, 2nd 20%, 3rd 15%, 4th 10% 5th 5% 6th to 10th 2%. If the race is not full the prizemoney will be reduced pro-rata dependant on the number of entrants. After the races the remaining birds will be auctioned, the proceeds after auction expenses will be split as follows 40% organiser, 40% breeder, 20% treasurer. No birds will leave the lofts until payment has been received/cleared. If no pedigree is supplied the breeder will not receive their share. All of the birds will be stamped with Neil’s number, however if any lost birds need to be repatriated to the lofts, this will be the responsibility and at the expense of the breeder. Each race will close at 220 yards per minute. Any issue not covered by these rules will be dealt with at the discretion of the race organiser. So there we have it, can you breed us a bird that can not only win a one loft race but a classic also???????????? OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM If you wish to enter the Champion One loft race 2009, please complete the form below and return with a deposit of £25.00, or full payment if you wish. Cheques to be made payable to Mr P Stokes. Send to AbacusOne Financial Services LTD 51E Main Street Broughton Astley Leicester LE9 6RE I/We wish to enter …. Bird/s into the Champion One Loft Race 2009, I enclose a deposit of £25.00 for each bird, and can confirm I/We have read the rules above. Signed ……………………………. Full Name ……………………………. Full Address ……………………………. ……………………………. ……………………………. ……………………………. ……………………………. Postcode ……………………………. Telephone Numbers Home ……………………………. Mobile ……………………………. Email Address ……………………………. User ID on pigeonchat ……………………………. or Pigeonbasics Cheques Payable to …………………………….
Geraint Parry Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 All of the birds will be stamped with Neil’s number, however if any lost birds need to be repatriated to the lofts, this will be the responsibility and at the expense of the breeder. by this do you mean any bird been reported , you are not willing to pay for the return of the said bird to your loft??
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 by this do you mean any bird been reported , you are not willing to pay for the return of the said bird to your loft?? That's exactly what it means, you would be responsible to get the bird back to the loft , we have decided we will not be entering any more one loft races in the future regardless of who is organising them
Guest slugmonkey Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 I am interested, will I be able to get birds there I would like to see how my birds do over there I am in the U.S. and will need a quarintine station does anyone know where I can ship ?????
Fair Play Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 It sounds a bit harsh especially as the breeder is only getting 40% surely all should pay proportionate costs as you will all get cut at the final selling price. Looks like having your cake AND eating it
Geraint Parry Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 if the bird is in this fanciers name , isn't it his responsibility to get the bird / s back?? also who is the ''treasurer''
wilkins Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 how do other one loft races return there lost birds or do they take a bigger cut to cover this cost?
Guest slugmonkey Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 These are standard practices in most U.S. one loft races the " treasurer " is auction and photographic fees and listing fees these have to be paid in most reputable auctions
Guest paulrstokes Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 Hi Guys Firstly I am the "treasurer" and am simply helping Neil out with the admin and looking after the funds, Neil wanted to concentrate on the birds and wanted someone to help with the banking side of things. I appreciate this has raised some questions, and whatever style of one loft race you will not please everyone. One of the main points raised on the thread is the returning of birds, many other one loft races take car of this side of things, however what I would like to point out is the margins on this race. If the race is full then we have a fund of £12,000, of this almost 90% is being paid out. Therefore Neil is taking a total of £1,000 to pay for the following Racing, Training, feeding, vaccine, race entry into the London and SCC, Unikon Rings. I am sure when you take this into account you can understand why we are asking the breeder to rtake responsability to have the bird returned. I appreciate this may be different to some one loft races but would suggest they may take larger margins.
Guest paulrstokes Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 I am interested, will I be able to get birds there I would like to see how my birds do over there I am in the U.S. and will need a quarintine station does anyone know where I can ship ????? Slugmonkey, I do not have a clue about shipping and quarantine, anyone have any suggestions??
gangster Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 how do other one loft races return there lost birds or do they take a bigger cut to cover this cost? THE WINNER OF P/CHAT RACE COLLECTED HIS OWN BIRD FROM ORMSKIRK PLUS ANOTHER, I MYSELF COLLECTED A BIRD OF CHUDAMAS WITH NOT EVEN A THANKS OF THE MAN AND I COLLECTED 1 FROM NOTTINGHAM FOR A TOP GUY MR HOLT.....MOST WERE REPATRIATED VIA SITE MEMBERS HELP.......
Geraint Parry Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 Fair enough, but if you are transfering them into our flying name, isnt it a rule that you must get the bird back??not knocking, just be careful and make sure noone can pull you up under rpra rules.
OLDYELLOW Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 yup you are only allowed to race birds in the name of owner which would be one loft and rules state you have to collect , think this needs to go back to the drawing board , i cant see £1000 be enough to cover all costs , you could fine people for stray birds
Fair Play Posted November 3, 2008 Report Posted November 3, 2008 Other one loft race states "strays will be repatriated to the loft" no mention of breeder having to pay maybe entry fee covers this!
carlsberg Posted November 4, 2008 Report Posted November 4, 2008 After the races the remaining birds will be auctioned, the proceeds after auction expenses will be split as follows 40% organiser, 40% breeder, 20% treasurer. No birds will leave the lofts until payment has been received/cleared. If no pedigree is supplied the breeder will not receive their share
pjc Posted November 4, 2008 Report Posted November 4, 2008 If the organisers are RPRA members they are responsible for the return of any lost birds at there expense or risk suspension! Carl also points out that the organisers will get more that £1000 to run the race, if 50% make it to the sale sold for an average of £40 the organiser will get another £960 and the treasurer gets £480 to look after the money. Think somebody needs to rethink the costs and rules! Phil
Guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Posted November 4, 2008 Well that looks like everything has been covered from needle to thread. All to say for my part is good luck to this gentleman, there is no doubt huge demand for these type of races, must admit I'm not a great fan myself because I think they will be the demise of local racing in many parts of the country.
joe61 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Posted November 4, 2008 slugmonkey try colin surtees for export and quarentine he might help oh happy days
Guest slugmonkey Posted November 4, 2008 Report Posted November 4, 2008 Thank You Expecting the Handler to pay shipping fees to get a lost bird back to a money race is a bit much don't you think If you want to really point a finger about one loft races do a little math on the Sun City African Race !!! You should research the Mardis Races ( continental Breeding Station ) and the World Ace Challenge this guy's race dosent sound too far off base to me Now the 64 dollar question I don't know this guy and I see he only has 2 posts does anyone on here know him is he reputable and is he capable of winning the Tours race I would like to race this but I am used to getting ripped off on these type of deals ( NOT CHATRACE his race was very good and he did a honest job !!!) I would love to race Tours but I would like to have a chance at winning it, not just sending birds for the sake of sending birds
Guest slugmonkey Posted November 4, 2008 Report Posted November 4, 2008 and now another Question it isnt that much more to pay Quarintine on 5 or 6 birds would any of you hotshot national fliers like to fly a couple of my birds ??? PM me if interested I would certainly entertain the idea of shipping a few extras for the right handlers please PM me and I will give details and pedigree information
pjc Posted November 4, 2008 Report Posted November 4, 2008 Slugmonkey, you wouldn't go far wrong in asking lightening on here (Mark & Clare) to test them in the nationals for you. They are in a good position and put up some very good performances last year with yearlings having moved to there new house. They also have a very good setup! Phil
supersonic steptoe Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Posted November 4, 2008 hi everybody im neil steptoe firstly lets look at costs £300 race entry fees £132 ets rings £200 food allowing 1 bag per week to feed 120 birds £180 transfers £40 canker , worm ,lice treatment £40 vaccine as you can see this is about 900 pounds the rest will be taken up by postage, dropping tests etc. i will not be taking any money from entry fees nor will treasurer,this race has £11,000 PRIZE FUND from 12,000 entrance fees i challenge anyone to come even half way to this with any other one loft race .
ChrisMaidment08 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Posted November 4, 2008 one bag food week for 120 birds will be bit thin come race
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