Prices for birds

[Guest]

I think your missing the point the point I am making is that not everyone that sells birds is in it for the money. They sell because they have spent time and money over the years building up a family of birds other fanciers want. In my loft if a bird is no good I put it in the bin I would never give it away. The ones that buy and sell birds to make money are just like anyone else that buys and sells to make a living if the market is there then why not make money from it? Going to all the top lofts buying their birds at a good price and selling them for a profit to the people who do not have the time to go looking. I for one would love a job like that.

 

I think that is so true

[Guest]

 

No i didnt say that but considering that any birds that we have sold have been out of either our distance winners which have won the BICC no they havent cost anyone a lot and we certainly havent made any money out of the birds got a small team of birds and dont breed to sell your lucky if you get a bird at all out of them

 

You're answer didn't answer the point I was making about supply and demand then .

[ChrisMaidment08]

look in my exsperiance feather merchants are not intrested in you or if bird is any good they just market to sell   in last weeks homeing world is fancier who quoates thuis that and sells his birds his birds? yet cos he quoates positions he sells yet cant win in club  but they were gifted to him not bred by him   if i offered him price he would laughat me will he give you bird not a chance  so if you sell youers you have good birds or peaple would not come back simple then its up to you what you charge

[Guest]

look in my exsperiance feather merchants are not intrested in you or if bird is any good they just market to sell   in last weeks homeing world is fancier who quoates thuis that and sells his birds his birds? yet cos he quoates positions he sells yet cant win in club  but they were gifted to him not bred by him   if i offered him price he would laughat me will he give you bird not a chance  so if you sell youers you have good birds or peaple would not come back simple then its up to you what you charge

 

No Chris its up to you what you ask for its up to the seller whether they meet the price, if no one meets the price, you have 3 choices, keep them dispose of them or lower the price. But until a seller comes along and pays the price your stuck. Its like houses at the mo some cost £300K 2 years ago, today they can't sell for £250k

[Guest]

So Lenwade Bob, which club do you fly in, taking part is what it's all about !!!!!!

 

Not flown where I live now, just restarted, But used to fly in Hertford & DPC and Hatfield club, both in hertfordshire and used to be part of N London Fed and LNRC

[micko and jack]

yes and im not intrested in money i gave away

chris could i have some PLEASE PLEASE  im going to the greatest show on earth on saturday and if i had your money i could buy some birds lol

NO TOPIC

some members spend BIG money on birds most if not ALL save go without and even brass neck it imposing on friendships begging and getting birds on lone for breeding now so long as bird advertised for sale have the race results to back it up and things are above board then its really down to the buyer if THEY WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY and that said its nice to be nice if someone is starting of THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN A HELPING HAND now that could be birds help or some fanciers maybe only in a position to give advice and if that advice is sound then that's a helping hand now that should not be confused with people I hear referred to feather merchants

 

 

 

[pigeonscout]

 

Conversly Rose most people who only have 10 pair in the stock loft don't know what they are going to breed and don't breed many good uns, so you've has much chance of having a good un from them as them keeping it.

 

I know what I have in my stock loft, breeders of winners it does not matter how a bird is bred or what it has won. in my loft it has to breed winners before it is put into stock loft.

 

 

[Guest]

 

supply and demand not sure what you mean by that but no we breed a small team and race a small team we do not and have never bred birds to sell

 

Until there was a demand created by your super performances there was no demand, once demand came you decided to sell and the prices get better as performances get better, you may not sell many but until you got the fantastic performances the birds would have no market.

And please don't take it I'm criticing you for selling I'm not, I would , Pigeonscouts post covers this  principal. Your birds undoubtedly are of top quality and to be proud of.

[Guest]

 

Conversly Rose most people who only have 10 pair in the stock loft don't know what they are going to breed and don't breed many good uns, so you've has much chance of having a good un from them as them keeping it.

 

I know what I have in my stock loft, breeders of winners it does not matter how a bird is bred or what it has won. in my loft it has to breed winners before it is put into stock loft.

 

 

Yes Scout and I have no doubt that's true and the same with Alun Maull but then I run out of names because there aren't many master breeders about and what I wrote above covers the majority

[ChrisMaidment08]

okay point taken been few birds on here withdrawn  cos not fetched money  i dont sell birds or breed birds to sell my view is what i see happening thats all if i want top birds to breed they are free so its not really a comparison

[Chairman]

"Too much ain't good for you baby", as the song goes, but yes its that GIANT commercial empire we fanciers have reared over the years

which has now returned to bite the hand that feeds it.WE ARE TO BLAME, if you dont pay it the price usually gets reduced or the bird is kept

look at the Goverment, who would have thought it would be pressured into the lowering of the rate of VAT to 15%.this was done to induce

the nation to spend,spend,spend this christmas only to be savagely bitten into the new year with MASSIVE debts.

I agree with our learned friend that any new starter, coming into this GREAT sport of ours will be shocked at the inflamatory price of not

just birds, its everything that is associated with the sport.Take the price of corn for an example, my brand of racing mix

(Old Yellow, dont you dare ask?) was £10.30 per 20kg bag, that was in september, I was in the corn store only last weekend and

was told the new prices for 2009 are already agreed and the mixture that I use is now going to cost me £18.54 for the same 20kg

amount, what happened to the price of oil being the lowered should not this affect the prices charged to consumers? I think not

we end this thread were it began "If we are prepared to pay it, they will charge us it" food for thought boys and an excellant thread.

[ChrisMaidment08]

it has been good i agree so im of to bed

[retired]

"Too much ain't good for you baby", as the song goes, but yes its that GIANT commercial empire we fanciers have reared over the years

which has now returned to bite the hand that feeds it.WE ARE TO BLAME, if you dont pay it the price usually gets reduced or the bird is kept

look at the Goverment, who would have thought it would be pressured into the lowering of the rate of VAT to 15%.this was done to induce

the nation to spend,spend,spend this christmas only to be savagely bitten into the new year with MASSIVE debts.

I agree with our learned friend that any new starter, coming into this GREAT sport of ours will be shocked at the inflamatory price of not

just birds, its everything that is associated with the sport.Take the price of corn for an example, my brand of racing mix

(Old Yellow, dont you dare ask?) was £10.30 per 20kg bag, that was in september, I was in the corn store only last weekend and

was told the new prices for 2009 are already agreed and the mixture that I use is now going to cost me £18.54 for the same 20kg

amount, what happened to the price of oil being the lowered should not this affect the prices charged to consumers? I think not

we end this thread were it began "If we are prepared to pay it, they will charge us it" food for thought boys and an excellant thread.

 

Its defo a commercial world, i spoke to a fancier from Holland a week or two back and decided i wanted to try 4 young birds straight from the nest to race - the figure i got quoted was bonkers - needless to say i wont be bothering no disrespect to them but i set myself a limit and then stick to it.

 

With regards to corn Chairman - if i couldnt get a decent corn to feed my birds for £13 let alone £18 i would be keeping 4 pairs for pleasure and making the bag last 6 months!

 

[Guest]

 

And on that note I'm off to bed, enjoyed this and no offence meant to anyone with a different view to myself

Nos da

[pigeonscout]

 

Yes Scout and I have no doubt that's true and the same with Alun Maull but then I run out of names because there aren't many master breeders about and what I wrote above covers the majority

I am a lucky breeder not master breeder :B :B :B

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

;D ;D ;Dnight

[ChrisMaidment08]

chris could i have some PLEASE PLEASE  im going to the greatest show on earth on saturday and if i had your money i could buy some birds lol

NO TOPIC

some members spend BIG money on birds most if not ALL save go without and even brass neck it imposing on friendships begging and getting birds on lone for breeding now so long as bird advertised for sale have the race results to back it up and things are above board then its really down to the buyer if THEY WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY and that said its nice to be nice if someone is starting of THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN A HELPING HAND now that could be birds help or some fanciers maybe only in a position to give advice and if that advice is sound then that's a helping hand now that should not be confused with people I hear referred to feather merchants

 

 

no no no

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

print youer own i do ;D ;D ;D

[retired]

 

Well going by what you just said should be pretty pleased with our results then we never had more than 10 pairs of stock birds and we won the british section from the internationals 6 times so looks like we know what we got

 

 

How many of the birds do you still have Rose - if you dont mind me asking?

 

 

[Guest]

I sell because people want my birds. If I was in it for the money I would have 100 stock pair not 10.

 

 

 

I am a lucky breeder not master breeder :B :B :B

 

 

So I gave you too much credit but why would people want your birds if you're not breeding the goods? OK you're a lucky master breeder?

[jimmy white]

to add my pennies worth :) these £2,000 pigeons are bought by the big money men, but does it say that the big money men win?   the old adage says,, you can buy the pigeon , but you cant buy the fancier,, no one forces anyone to buy, this is completely up to the fancier,and him [or her] alone,  and in my opinion , you certainly dont need to pay this amount , to win races,, you can get very cheap,or even gift  pigeons , excellent pigeons ,that with the proper management , would knock spots off any fancier who tries to buy success,, you cannot buy success  

[Guest youngzimmy]

ANOTHER POINT BEING IF PEOPLE JUST DECIDED THEY WERE NOT GOING TO PAY THESE MAD PRICES WHERE WOULD ALL THESE BIG GUYS BE

[Guest]

ANOTHER POINT BEING IF PEOPLE JUST DECIDED THEY WERE NOT GOING TO PAY THESE MAD PRICES WHERE WOULD ALL THESE BIG GUYS BE

not on here (evil)

[pigeonscout]

 

Well going by what you just said should be pretty pleased with our results then we never had more than 10 pairs of stock birds and we won the british section from the internationals 6 times so looks like we know what we got

 

Rose I was saying what you are saying that I also know my birds.

 

[Roland]

to add my pennies worth :) these £2,000 pigeons are bought by the big money men, but does it say that the big money men win?   the old adage says,, you can buy the pigeon , but you cant buy the fancier,, no one forces anyone to buy, this is completely up to the fancier,and him [or her] alone,  and in my opinion , you certainly dont need to pay this amount , to win races,, you can get very cheap,or even gift  pigeons , excellent pigeons ,that with the proper management , would knock spots off any fancier who tries to buy success,, you cannot buy success  

 

Alf Baker's saying that eh Jimmy.

Not many had great sucess from his birds... though a few Belguims did, and even a National...