new welsh national meeting today newport

[ChrisMaidment08]

dont think there are any now if you go further up to wrexam and above lots but they aint wanted hence line same west only so far what about carm and above they are welsh  nomate should be gwent midwales only

[Guest strapper]

if you bother to check ill think ur find that a good deal of nationals won in the last 5 years on the south east was won by WELSH NORTH ROAD MEMBERS!

chris how you know what distances i fly i dont know.... maybe you can plan my racing this year for me?.....as i dont fly more than 400mls as you say..yet i must fidled the books to score 3 out of the last 5 years i raced from bonn 450mls...although  i dont  like distance racing..my preference.

also i think there is some misunderstanding about this heads of the valley?.......and ryader.....the line is below 52...

so all fanciers below that welcome to join the national...some say split was because of personalitites...funny how the ones that stayed with the combine are making these claims ?.

one reason for the split was because of certain people in the combine ,changing of races in mid season to suit them without consulting clubs...many rants were from clubs still in the combine over that!...and also mid week racing where fanciers couldnt race the nationals because of work commitments and paying for races twice in one week.

none of these chris have you mentioned but fanciers on here have believed what you say is the right reasons...you are one man and not even flying in the combine ...am i right?

thats the trouble ..this last year was the last straw for many members in the combine and the welsh north road was brave enough to say enoughs enough and pulled away from the combine.

as always the blame for the split goes to the one that pulls out of the combine yet the combine remains without blame.

if the combine had listened to members then maybe it would have still been combined with possibiliy of the biggest federation in south wales still with them.

we have birdage upto 7-8000 at times in old birds so all that finance goes from the combine..a big loss in anyones eyes.

some are saying that the new national is gonna cost us more?...well surely now welsh north road have pulled away.dont you think that the combine now will do also?.

 

one thing ive noticed .....welsh north road members are not calling the combine over that they have left, yet there are several combine members doing that...why?

there are two sides to every story .

 

 

 

 

[Guest strapper]

 

What merit for the North Wales fanciers, Strapper states the boundary is Rhyader. Now unless you have had an influx of fanciers from Mid Wales the radius might just as well be just North of the heads of the Valley Road. 20 years ago the Most northerly club was Talgarth  which included a very good fancier Colin Hawker, does this club still exist.

No North Wales fanciers allowed from what I read above. Were they in the proper National??

 

 

abear a little info about talgarth club..colin was as you say a good fancier..i know him...after becoming ill, he gave up the sport several years a go...because of small amount of club members say 5-6...they wrote to my club abergavenny kings about joining our club..as we knew some of the members and colin was one of them we decided to let them join us.

they flew with us for 2-3yrs untill some gave up the sport..but some stayed untill 2 seasons a go.

now because  of the good relations with them (stayed m8s with them)one of them is starting back in birds and has decided to rejoin us this season in y/birds.

talgarth is still in the radius for this new national infact miles inside it.

i think if you looked at a map the 52 radius (rhyader)is level more or less with coventry...so that covers ALL fanciers below that...including west wales /cardiff/ merthyrbridged.. and so on.....so there are many top famciers able to join the national.

as you will agree no doubt if there is this type of calibre in the national there should be some merit...only time will tell.

i was talking to rhondda valley members yesterday who are joining this national and they have informed us that there will be a lot more joining...this is only classed as hearsay but so can be said about anything else heard about this national lately.

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

yes strapper two sides to every storey yet we only get one youers well i h ;D ;Dope youer right but we wll see  oh and if you want me to sort out youer race program  im happy to    as to youer comment im one man yes i am and no i wont fly in fed youer in for number reasons  but you are only one man too yet beleave all the rubbish spouted by the fed   the combine instructed youer fed to come into line they would not instead they now start nat i dont care if you think this is correct or not  i would rather beleave the peaple who tell me than any of that lot  even members of the fed for long time aint happy but hy as i said lets see what transpires   if im right then i can boast about it if wrong i can apolergise  but aint it funny i told quite a few fanciers that this was going to happen before it did strange i must be syhcic??? ;D ;D ;D

[Guest strapper]

yes strapper two sides to every storey yet we only get one youers well i h ;D ;Dope youer right but we wll see  oh and if you want me to sort out youer race program  im happy to    as to youer comment im one man yes i am and no i wont fly in fed youer in for number reasons  but you are only one man too yet beleave all the rubbish spouted by the fed   the combine instructed youer fed to come into line they would not instead they now start nat i dont care if you think this is correct or not  i would rather beleave the peaple who tell me than any of that lot  even members of the fed for long time aint happy but hy as i said lets see what transpires   if im right then i can boast about it if wrong i can apolergise  but aint it funny i told quite a few fanciers that this was going to happen before it did strange i must be syhcic??? ;D ;D ;D

 

sorry chris but you only get side of the story?.....havent we heard your side just as much?..to be fair chris there are countless for and and also countless against this national....but in truth is anything set in stone that there will be no problems or anyone complaining in any national?

instead of everyone arguing over whats what lets stick to facts thats there to be seen,chris we both must agree we both will hear different storys off people but who,s to say they are right m8?

as ive always said and now uve said lets wait to see what comes of it.......it may well turn out to be a better thing?.....or worst?..but like i keep saying give it a chance surely its better to look at it when its up and running then to jump the gun b4 its in motion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

yea i agree lets see what happens but im always right so im told :P ;D ;D ;D ;Danyway life goes on as it should

[Guest]

also i think there is some misunderstanding about this heads of the valley?.......and ryader.....the line is below 52...

 

If you take the northern valley towns that straddle the heads of the valleys road, you will find there are few if any fanciers between a line North of Cefn Coed above Merthyr and Rhayader. The distance is about 50 mile......... a terrific radius fanciers will be flocking to make acquaintance with the various birds of prey that appreciate the beautiful countryside betwixt. Rhayader to Oswestry is a further 50 mile and again there are more hawks than pigeons.

I think you hit it on the head when you said Feds won't listen, it's politics and personalities again, so sad the way the sport is destroying itself, no need to blame  the Unions, it's down to ordinary fanciers.

[Roland]

So sad... same problem.

A few years back the Northants Fed joined up with the Leicestershire Fed.

Had a equally as good results... Leicester slightly better all round. Had a breeder / buyer and got of to a sound start. Never got the rresults, so naturally asked.... Personaloitie erulpted! Leicester wouldn't give the results, said they weren't at beck and call etc. It folded.

So here again about 5 years ago was talked through and the Algamation was formed.

Coalville also. Northants did well, indeed won the Lerwick a couple or more times.

Now a personality clash... yes big time and unbelieveable egoistic self importants. Leicester now won't fly against Coalville, the chairman has resigned because of silly school boy's egos and sadly end off! Who suffers? the grass rootes of course. Who cares... only the grass roots, the Leicester lot sit aloft on a platform of self righteousness and indigination!

Perhaps they should have a slap!

Like the hassle they caused with the Transported, when the Northants on more than one occassion had to drive to the Lib points temselves.

Then they say 'Want out Convoyer... then they want Our driver, all silly excuses to be something they dream off... but alas are plonkers.

Gosh! Saving money, more merit etc. and they put over glib talk to tickle ears and ruin it for the vast majority. AND they get voted back in!

Could write a dossier on such stupid idodacy.

[Guest strapper]

i do believe what ever fed /national your in there will be personalities clashing.

but when you add other problems it just escalates matters worst.

i dont think there is such a thing as trouble free feds, there will always be someone that disagrees with another...but thats the spice of life being different.

in an ideal world we will all get along ,but it will never happen.

[Roland]

Lot of truth there strapper ... but surely all and any new rule / organisation should have the interests of the Majority at heart.... BUT not at the expence of the minority!

[Guest strapper]

i do believe that eventually the new national will open up to all of wales, but they are not trying to run b4 they can walk and so have limited the opening year to the area they have , to raise funds the 1st year to join will be £20 and there after just £10.

as any new enterprise you need funds and there will be a 1st class youngbird sale later on .

some very top fanciers will donate birds and the auction will be done by john burgham..very well respected fancier in his flying days and as an autioneer....best ive seen.

[Roland]

I remember well, just a few short years ago, 4 I think! When one of the club wanted to do an open race to raise money for our club.

Fine, I’ll go along with that.

But after it was agreed, a few started tickling a few ears with the idea of how it SHOULD /WOULD be better and nice if one in our club won it. I wasn’t happy then and quickly stated so.

But some shut their ears to reality and went along with taking this part out, included that part. So in the end it was a mish mash of a jigsaw going all over the place. Extended here, shortened there etc.

I withdrew and stated the more the merrier, that any one on the given day – wind willing of course, should be entered and a 20 – 30 mile radius of the club, whatever, ut not dilly dally trying to leave out good flyers and expect dummies to fill the coffers.

You know what! They went for I, saying many plausible excuses as to why it was right! They o course omitted the real reason.

Yes greed, wanting to win, fairly or otherwise for BOTH the money and the merit.

The winner didn’t achieve any merit of course, and the club made very little.

I refused to enter. Like a few others into an contrived and selfish exercise.

[tigger]

Seems to me that certain people are stirring up discussions without actually being interested  joining the New Welsh National - meeting held at the Seamans Mission Sun 11th Jan. Why fetch up  the issue of fanciers outside of Wales if you are not trying to cause friction? Making assumptions that people attended without actually being there!!!!!!

Fanciers have informed me that the member making these comments doesn't belong to the Welsh Federation - but seems to think he knows a lot.

[pjc]

what do the national want all these funds for?

They are not buying a transporter as they'll use the feds etc etc, or is the money just to bail out the federation?

[Roland]

Seems to me that certain people are stirring up discussions without actually being interested  joining the New Welsh National - meeting held at the Seamans Mission Sun 11th Jan. Why fetch up  the issue of fanciers outside of Wales if you are not trying to cause friction? Making assumptions that people attended without actually being there!!!!!!

 

Possibly your right...

Most are spout the realism of facts that have happened time and time again, and  no matter how well wrapped up, and sparkling with tinsel etc. 99% of the time, one or two sure things have been the reality.

One an concoction of: Ego's, self importance, unfair advantage, cutting out Good Flyers, moving the goal posts unfairly etc.

And two: The grass roots suffer by, costs, less merit, a Kellog Cup etc. dearer flying, and lose of members...

The second part (two) is a certainty,

Then another certainty when they pack up it will be mish mashed over via the same of toothless dogga ma of 'Would have left any way, Didn't he get ill health, believe his misses wanted him to pack up (after 40 years lol) Had to spend more time with the family, took up Photo / fishing etc. Would have left anyway' etc. etc Yes can think of many more... but the truth 'The real reason was as he stated, and that LAYS at ******** Door'

Mark my words, as sure as eggs are eggs.

Concerns hould be helping each other! Not starting spoilt brats new regime, more costs etc.

Bigger and better we go forth! ... Weaker and poorer we strife to soldier on ...!

 

 

[pencil cock]

hats off to the wnr federation

weve all complained about the combine and national decitions over the past years but nones done anything about it

 

finally an organisation has took the bull by the horns and said enough is enough and gone there own way

and im sure a lot will follow them once details are released in the fancy press

i personally hope its before the agm in feb

[pjc]

look at all these new members supporting the so called national!

They must have handed out the forum details at the meeting so all could join and support the WNRF!

[pencil cock]

let common sence take preference on this issue

 

its piontless hitting out at idvividual members and fed has im led to believe members from all areas of south wales were there yesterday supporting the new venture and they were members from the r.v.fed and s.west glam included so if they were present you need to ask yourself if everything is rosey beyond the w..n.r.fed how come others were interested believe me 400 members of the wnr fed will be a greatloss to the rest of us this year lets see how much they put our fees up by with the loss of their financial input then decide whos going to be the loser

they have made there decition and are sticking too it by the seem of it all we can do is sit back and see what becomes of it

 

[pencil cock]

look at all these new members supporting the so called national!

They must have handed out the forum details at the meeting so all could join and support the WNRF!

 

 

has for the above yes im new to this but has a flying member of the wse national i assure you im still debating whos right or wrong regarding the move and wished to see what all the fuss was about

 

[thunderboult]

who decides race programmes? i thought fancier's decided themselves what race points they wish to race if so many people are not happy why could'nt the wnr put in to change things? what govering body is the new organisation coming under whu/rpra?.

[pjc]

what govering body is the new organisation coming under whu/rpra?.

 

Would think the WHPU as they will have no problem getting affiliation with most of the officials belonging to that fed!

 

 

[pencil cock]

i think its affiliated to the wnr programme

so be it has long has its racing pigeons who care who or where they go personally has long has its run properly

[Guest strapper]

question to all who slate the new national....why?.if it isnt affecting you why make derogatory remarks about them?

what id like to say is......where does any welsh north road member or new national member appear to be calling over the combine or any other fed in wales?.....if they have then i havent seen it?....so all it says to me that a few are against it and are behaving  like bears with soar heads. cmon lads lets get real..no need for accusations, just remember print on here can be used as lawfull evidence in a slander case..and we dont need or want to go there , i certainly wouldnt want too.

 

[pencil cock]

like i say im new to all this

 

what i cant understand is the wnr fed jumped ship and went alone and there three pages of dispute

 

a breakaway fed has been formed in the welsh south road federation and nothing has published a few weeks ago in the bhw and nothing im not wnr myself but aint this a case of striking a nerve

[Guest strapper]

the new national is affiliated to the whpu....committee on the national are from different area,s not just the wnrf.