skitch Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 the whu should step in and stop feds coming up with thier own so called national, if its a welsh national then it sould be open to the whole of wales end of.
pjc Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Skitch, and where are the WHPU committee from?
Guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 the whu should step in and stop feds coming up with thier own so called national, if its a welsh national then it sould be open to the whole of wales end of. :Xas it is ,borders on discrimination from what i can see .NATIONAL ,but you cant come in even if you are located in Wales,because your not in radius.if it set up as new club or fed ok ,but surely cannott be termed a NATIONAL ?? andy.
skitch Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 the next thing they will come up with is , duplication so that they can fly in the wse nat and the new one and top the combine ! in my opinion a national should be liberated on its own , even when they put the advert in the bhw they dident have the guts to put a name or phone number in . ??)
Guest strapper Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 the next thing they will come up with is , duplication so that they can fly in the wse nat and the new one and top the combine ! in my opinion a national should be liberated on its own , even when they put the advert in the bhw they dident have the guts to put a name or phone number in . ??) there are no rules stopping anyone in the wnrf joining the wse nationals..and topping the combine.
Guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 there are no rules stopping anyone in the wnrf joining the wse nationals..and topping the combine. ??)does this include those located outside stated latitude and longtitude lines?? andy.
Guest strapper Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 ??)does this include those located outside stated latitude and longtitude lines?? andy. i wondered how long it would take lol...i think its only fair the member in any national should not be held responsible for any thing that national does. the combine is open to all of wales ,.....but remember the new national isnt just for wnrf members there will be members from feds below the 52 radius joining..some will make a moan about it now......but watch come racing season.
Guest strapper Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 the next thing they will come up with is , duplication so that they can fly in the wse nat and the new one and top the combine ! in my opinion a national should be liberated on its own , even when they put the advert in the bhw they dident have the guts to put a name or phone number in . ??) oh by the way..how can the new national take combine positions when they race different national race points?
Guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 i wondered how long it would take lol...i think its only fair the member in any national should not be held responsible for any thing that national does. the combine is open to all of wales ,.....but remember the new national isnt just for wnrf members there will be members from feds below the 52 radius joining..some will make a moan about it now......but watch come racing season. :Xexcuse my ignorance Paul,can i ask an earlier question again ,if the new assocation call themselves a club or fed surely thats ok .but to call themselves a NATIONAL and not to include all the Welsh nation is wrong surely?? andy.
Guest strapper Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 :Xexcuse my ignorance Paul,can i ask an earlier question again ,if the new assocation call themselves a club or fed surely thats ok .but to call themselves a NATIONAL and not to include all the Welsh nation is wrong surely?? andy. my own personal belief is a national should mean national...i havent any arguement against that belief. what i do feel is too many are blaming the wnrf while other feds remain blameless, the one that jumps ship is always deemed as the agrresser,..as someone said on an earlier post...the wnrf did what some others were thinking but didnt take that step.
Guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 my own personal belief is a national should mean national...i havent any arguement against that belief. what i do feel is too many are blaming the wnrf while other feds remain blameless, the one that jumps ship is always deemed as the agrresser,..as someone said on an earlier post...the wnrf did what some others were thinking but didnt take that step. :Pso we are in agreement about the NATIONAL title ,yes if a posotive move has been made by wnrf,then they are to be commended ,however they need to address the title of NATIONAL flying club before they can gain some respect from those of us outside current boundary ,understood ?? andy.
Guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 The radius for the New Welsh Club is stated in the BHW = ANYONE SOUTH OF 52:20:00 ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND MEETING - does this not highlight the radius? NO
Roland Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 [Tom you missed my question, could I have an answer please. And can you clarify what the easterly border is, are parts of England in it? It would be good to hear the facts Albear you didn't really expect an answer there did you ... thought not! But at least you won't be disappointed then on that score! ;D ;D
Guest strapper Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 i think more answers can be given when the national is under way....nothing is finalised in anything when ventures are only just starting. and amendments will or can be made later. i think its only fair that its given time to evolve and become known. everyone thats calling it over seems to know everything about it yet still ask questions about it,cmon lads lets treat this as any other and make your conclusions at a later date if something aint right. we have heard all angles now from all and in fairness good questions have come from both sides. if you require more info why not write to the national and ask them, then your answers will be official. heres a site that you will have some info...it has pics of welsh national winners in recent years . http://www.welshnational.piczo.com/?cr=7
Guest cowboy Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 far too meny idiots in this sport there the ones that cant win so form breakaways what i'd do is to create a great north wales national be far bigger than the one they have made up to exclude the good lofts
thunderboult Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 to me no one as answered why they left the combine? also i seen mentioned here that most of the whu commitee are wnr fed members, so why could'nt they have put in propositions to change things if so many fancier's are not happy?
taffacre Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 if you look back on the racing we had last season with the welsh south east national it was a joke,and thats putting it mildly,mid week racing,altering the dates of nationals to suit certain fanciers,and we all know who they are.I think the welsh north road should be congratulated for making the break from the combine,and another reason they have changed their route is they can now race from the longer races on a saturday and not mid week as it is with the south east national.As for calling it a national is a bit much i think you cannot call it a welsh national unless all of Wales has the opportunity to fly their pigeons. Good luck to them and i hope it works,bit lets think about the north wales fanciers they should have the same chances to fly their birds as anyone else in wales. just going back to last years racing for instance GIESSEN a total disaster and a lot of very good pigeon lost,they had NO chance. is it true they are not going there this year???????
thunderboult Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 hi taff, and thanks for answering last year was a funny year , if it was down to racing on saturday i'd agree but why could'nt they come out and say that. i did'nt like the thursday racing and i'm sure most other's in combine did'nt either so why could'nt it be changed?(i know we could'nt race from belgium on saturdays) but if the fancier's were asked i think they would have gone in favour of moving racepoints to have sat. racing. it does'nt matter to me so much now as i only send to maidstone and ramsgate with the national prefering to send my long distance birds with the south road.
Guest strapper Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 far too meny idiots in this sport there the ones that cant win so form breakaways what i'd do is to create a great north wales national be far bigger than the one they have made up to exclude the good lofts what is your record in racing??? try looking at welsh north road members history in nationals on any route...it will make ur comment look stupid, even members against the welsh north road will not question some of the national lofts in this fed. a member of my club has won two nationals ..few 2nds 3rds.......you got preece bros....7-8 nationals...j+p webber 7 nationals...to name just a few....there are countless national flyers who would welcome you to justify your comment. cowboy if you have a comment ,at least dont slag off members of the welsh north road without justification. i dont know if anyone is feeding you with info , how long have you been racing? when you start abusing fanciers ,try having something in concrete and not what you are thinking at the time m8. all you will achieve is to turn this good banter into chaos and have it possibly locked.
Guest strapper Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 if you look back on the racing we had last season with the welsh south east national it was a joke,and thats putting it mildly,mid week racing,altering the dates of nationals to suit certain fanciers,and we all know who they are.I think the welsh north road should be congratulated for making the break from the combine,and another reason they have changed their route is they can now race from the longer races on a saturday and not mid week as it is with the south east national.As for calling it a national is a bit much i think you cannot call it a welsh national unless all of Wales has the opportunity to fly their pigeons. Good luck to them and i hope it works,bit lets think about the north wales fanciers they should have the same chances to fly their birds as anyone else in wales. just going back to last years racing for instance GIESSEN a total disaster and a lot of very good pigeon lost,they had NO chance. is it true they are not going there this year??????? very good post taff m8.
pjc Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 i think the combine made the right decission racing during the week from Belgium and German race points! By the time the birds hit kent area they would have been split up to a certain degree and then more likely to clash with large federation birds going up and down the country on a saturday. Likewise we held the youngbird races on sundays for the same reason to give the birds crossing England a better chance, common sence in my eyes! Phil
Guest strapper Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 hi taff, and thanks for answering last year was a funny year , if it was down to racing on saturday i'd agree but why could'nt they come out and say that. i did'nt like the thursday racing and i'm sure most other's in combine did'nt either so why could'nt it be changed?(i know we could'nt race from belgium on saturdays) but if the fancier's were asked i think they would have gone in favour of moving racepoints to have sat. racing. it does'nt matter to me so much now as i only send to maidstone and ramsgate with the national prefering to send my long distance birds with the south road. hiya m8....i think there were plenty of discussions concerning members views but it was taken on deaf ears and the combine didnt listen. i think this was on going for recent years. personally i wish we stayed as a combine but only if we altered matters. they certainly would have discussed this at meetings and most prob left with sore heads. i only hope that we can all come to a friendly outcome to this.
taffacre Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 If my memory serves me right it was the combine who changed the racepoints,i remember that last year a lot of fanciers had not trained their young birds in time for racing and they added comeback races in between the nationals to cater for these certain members to allow them to get their birds into the Nationals.Fanciers had trained and in some circumstances paired their young birds to coincide with the Nationals. This really upset a lot of fanciers . The fanciers in Belgium race their young birds early in the season and this is the same time that we have old bird racing,that is one reason we dont race on a saturday from Belgium,to avoid clashing.THe new national is south south east and would allow the fanciers to have weekend racin on a regular basis
Guest strapper Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 i know a few in my club had very strong feelings about mid week racing then paying again on the saturday. some of them like me couldnt afford to race like this but had to pay . midweek national racing isnt for the working man to enjoy the benefits of racing. and this was aired by some members around when i had bumped into them or spoke to them on the phone, this included rhonnda valley members too. please remember that members from different feds were there at the meeting interested and voted on matters. so all this about the welsh north road fed being at fault isnt the view by all non wnrf members.
thunderboult Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 hi strapper, i'm not saying they ar at fault but if everyone's so unhappy why not all change or invite all other feds to come with them.
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