PATTY BHOY Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 have a look at this link. http://cci.scot.nhs.uk/Topics/Research/About/EBAR/research-opportunities/CR200853
jimmy white Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 yet another interesting post from patty bhoy,[note 2.2 ,, the beams , similar to the "falcon posting"
Guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 see they stoped it in march just before the hen gets serious at the kill they are only kidding us on that they want to help they have been doing it for years hat off to the shu who thought they were trying to get something done with them but the truth is they have kidded them on to the point where they have spent over 30/40 thousand pounds and they wont exept any results and they just move the goal post when things get a bit hairy for the rspb total waste of money and time the rspb will not allow any one to sort out there birds of prey
just ask me Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 see they stoped it in march just before the hen gets serious at the kill they are only kidding us on that they want to help they have been doing it for years hat off to the shu who thought they were trying to get something done with them but the truth is they have kidded them on to the point where they have spent over 30/40 thousand pounds and they wont exept any results and they just move the goal post when things get a bit hairy for the rspb total waste of money and time the rspb will not allow any one to sort out there birds of prey i totally agree a total waste of time and money a gimmick come to mind its up too us all to sort out our own problems there enough of us
PATTY BHOY Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Posted February 11, 2009 has anyone ever been cautioned for culling raptors.
Guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 worse than that patty some have been prosicuted heavy fines 1 in trannent
PATTY BHOY Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Posted February 11, 2009 could the shu,not get monetrie compensation from the RSPB when someones pigeons gets hit. as they know there is a massive problem with some good birds worth a lot of money getting SLAUGHTERED.
just ask me Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 could the shu,not get monetrie compensation from the RSPB when someones pigeons gets hit. as they know there is a massive problem with some good birds worth a lot of money getting SLAUGHTERED. seems reasonalbe but these peple are not and whos to say how much the pigeon cost sure we would all have direct jannsens ;D
Guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 could the shu,not get monetrie compensation from the RSPB when someones pigeons gets hit. as they know there is a massive problem with some good birds worth a lot of money getting SLAUGHTERED. your missing my point pat the rspb are kidding the life out of the shu and dont/wont take any pigeon fanciers seriously
PATTY BHOY Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Posted February 11, 2009 IF THE PIGEON FANCIER DOESN`T START TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THESE KILLERS WHO WILL.
jimmy white Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 IF THE PIGEON FANCIER DOESN`T START TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THESE KILLERS WHO WILL. quite agree patty boy ,, its the fanciers, be it wild song bird fanciers, fancy pigeon fanciers ,show bird fanciers , racing pigeon fanciers , farmers , game keepers that should be all pulling from the same rope all that keep any sort of birds ,,,,,all are having them killed by hawks , i beleive all pigeon unions,,,con-federations , the save our songbird trust s,o,s [made up mainly of dis-satisfied ex-members of the rspb],,the , gamekeepers,,, etc etc should join in force , also the public made aware of the true facts why the songbirds are dissapearing fast [and of course made aware of these war pigeons, that saved so many lives] there has to be a way , somehow, sometime,the sooner the better , but in genuine perseverence in never giving up this battle ,,,,,,by all, and alltogether,,,,the number of raptors are at an all time great , surely this has to be sought into, by the proper authorities i,e the law,,,, i,e the wild life and country act ,its time now for some of these wildlife and country acts to be changed
just ask me Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 IF THE PIGEON FANCIER DOESN`T START TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THESE KILLERS WHO WILL. theres loads that u can do it dont need to be a big organised thing everyone just do there own bit thers loads of threads here too view :-/ simple as
cowman Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 if you were to kill or hurt any of the rspb hawks they would take you to court i wonder if you could turn the tables and take them to court if their hawks killed your pigeons it would be a land mark case if someone did and won .
jimmy white Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 if you were to kill or hurt any of the rspb hawks they would take you to court i wonder if you could turn the tables and take them to court if their hawks killed your pigeons it would be a land mark case if someone did and won . i just wish this would be poss, it certainly could be, albeit with a lot of thought , and top lawyers , but yes, it certainly would be a land mark case ,, and could or would make for changes
Novice Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 if you were to kill or hurt any of the rspb hawks they would take you to court i wonder if you could turn the tables and take them to court if their hawks killed your pigeons it would be a land mark case if someone did and won . It just wouldn't work. You have absolutely no idea how much influence this organisation have. I have a list of environmental jobs sent to me weekly. On this the RSPB advertise at least 10 jobs each week with salaries of about £20k. They are major employers. Some of these jobs are simply to monitor bird of prey nesting sites in season. Once I had a Sparrowhawk in my loft and wrote to my M.P. asking that I should be given the right to protect what was mine on my property. I, in turn, had a letter from Donald Dewar enclosing a nice booklet on birds of prey and warning me about the potential for prosecution should I take the law into my own hands. I think what the SHU are trying to prove is that- 1 Deterrants don't work. 2 We do lose birds to these predators. 3 That nuisance birds can be caught and relocated and continue normal lives in a new location. This would allow the use of Larssen traps under licence for relocation purposes. This is the best we can achieve at the moment and would be the initial step. Point 3 I will leave open to interpretation.
jimmy white Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 It just wouldn't work. You have absolutely no idea how much influence this organisation have. I have a list of environmental jobs sent to me weekly. On this the RSPB advertise at least 10 jobs each week with salaries of about £20k. They are major employers. Some of these jobs are simply to monitor bird of prey nesting sites in season. Once I had a Sparrowhawk in my loft and wrote to my M.P. asking that I should be given the right to protect what was mine on my property. I, in turn, had a letter from Donald Dewar enclosing a nice booklet on birds of prey and warning me about the potential for prosecution should I take the law into my own hands. I think what the SHU are trying to prove is that- 1 Deterrants don't work. 2 We do lose birds to these predators. 3 That nuisance birds can be caught and relocated and continue normal lives in a new location. This would allow the use of Larssen traps under licence for relocation purposes. This is the best we can achieve at the moment and would be the initial step. Point 3 I will leave open to interpretation. "it just wouldnt work" maybe a slight defeatist attitude, but your post is certainly spot on, ,, and after all ,, david beat goliath ,
Novice Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 "it just wouldnt work" maybe a slight defeatist attitude, but your post is certainly spot on, ,, and after all ,, david beat goliath , Something to hope for I suppose the thin end of the wedge. Unfortunately a great deal of data is being lost now due to the snow.
Guest IB Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Worth noting the rspb are not involved in this in any way. They tried unsuccessfully to get the Scottish Government to abandon it. Also worth noting that we are the first to be offered this; game land managers / gamekeepers and others also want the same as us, some protection in law for their stock.
Roland Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Time a march on downing street ... never happen, unless they can get someone else to walk for them. All moan.... do nowt. There are other concerns like ours too... time we got together.... but has to be a person of a responcible position... so that will never happen either. All chuck a quiddy apiece into the coffers and hire a PR Firm to lobby parliment. To put across our plight to Job Public etc. WHAT! A £1 ... so that will never happen... so guess the only other two things would be POUR ON invertamin... But the Raptures / Hawks spout lies and said they already use it... 98% decide to believe it convienently so that will never happen. The Saddle, which does work, as the Arabs have shown for thousands of years, yes that works... but means the Fancier has to put it on ... so that will never happen. Me... well have no problems with peregrines etc. So sorting them will never happen here! Otherwise would! Sparrow Hawks, well though only 80yards up the road are content with the ferals on a delict cinema... otherwise would treat them to a cock canary, ... That may well happen.
just ask me Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Time a march on downing street ... never happen, unless they can get someone else to walk for them. All moan.... do nowt. There are other concerns like ours too... time we got together.... but has to be a person of a responcible position... so that will never happen either. All chuck a quiddy apiece into the coffers and hire a PR Firm to lobby parliment. To put across our plight to Job Public etc. WHAT! A £1 ... so that will never happen... so guess the only other two things would be POUR ON invertamin... But the Raptures / Hawks spout lies and said they already use it... 98% decide to believe it convienently so that will never happen. The Saddle, which does work, as the Arabs have shown for thousands of years, yes that works... but means the Fancier has to put it on ... so that will never happen. Me... well have no problems with peregrines etc. So sorting them will never happen here! Otherwise would! Sparrow Hawks, well though only 80yards up the road are content with the ferals on a delict cinema... otherwise would treat them to a cock canary, ... That may well happen. ivermection has no harmfull effects to hawks it helps them as ive seen hawk men use it on small baby chickens and feed them too the hawks to worm them it actually how hawk men worm there birds ive seen it with my own eyes
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