Guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 I've always been against averages, in our club for example we have points 6 for 1st 5 for 2nd etc. and no matter how many you time in only your first pigeon counts, so the 6th fancier's first bird could be in 12th club but would earn one point. I've always thought that averages can be won by the man who is last every week but always times. Isn't it funny how your perspective can change when you actually are involved in averages!!! I've just looked at the unofficial averages domne by Paul O Leary for the first 4 NFC Races and I see I'm 10th section overall. That does please me because it shows consistency of loft and I've timed a different 1st pigeon every race (I think) and I've always looked at section results as a better guide to a lofts abilities , unless of course you are a Cooper, Shepherd or Denny who have reslts most of us can only dream of. The thing is after Tarbes my season tends to finish, but the NFC has a Saintes race end of July (which I would prefer to be 3 weeks prior to Tarbes) which will be in the averages and I'm ever so slightly tempted to send, slightly because my birds have not been out since Tarbes but the two cocks I have in mind their hens laid last night. Hopefully I will see common sense and keep them at home but I am tempted to let them out the next few days!!! Of course there is the problem too of getting them there without me licence ;D ;D I know it's commonsense not to send because of lack of preperation and do I really want to send my 1st Club Tarbes 18th section NFC (2nd club & WECA Marmandes, 473 miles found in loft with winner last year)? But I would like to for all the wrong reasons, what would you do?
Guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 By the way you can find the averages and a lot of information on the link below. Paul O Leary produces a database of all NFC races costs about £15 (I think) and it is excellent value I would recommend it http://www.pbosolutions.co.uk/nfcraid.htm
Guest slugmonkey Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 They are for racing ! I lost 3 registered champions on 1 race this year so I probably aint the one to ask although I was asked if this upset me and I told the guy that I was happier about the other 4 that came home as now I know exactly what these birds are capable of !!! nothing ventured nothing gained P.S. I retired all of these birds
Guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 i think Allan ,only person that can answer youre question wether to send or not is YOU . whatever you decide ,well done on your achevments so far ,and i wish you all the best . andy.
Guest slugmonkey Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 P.S.S. average speed is almost equivilent here although there is no national figure to judge it I have lost our club average 2 times on 600 mile races once I was ahead by 13 hours but I got the horsepower now to stay in
blaz Posted July 15, 2009 Report Posted July 15, 2009 if not set up for the race i would not send. better in the loft for a go at it next year.by the way that is good flying .but i am on the out side looking in. i am not to sure that i would not send as i will admit i do go trophy hunting. you know your birds better than anyone .do you think that they would do themselves justice .also if the worst happened could you afford to lose them . all the best on your decision. Y.I.S blaz
Roland Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Yep, get the blood in the loft in numbers, then risk losing it. You won't and it may well be greater - should be - next season. But the best thing after any decent race is rest.... then they are raring to go. Edmunds used to send if fit, even if they won three 1st feds that season... it went if conditioned.... Me, well i would have sent upto a last year. one race nigh wiped me out... worst is, it was my fault more than the smash race.... A bridge too far. Said 'Here to race, sort them out. Normal race and they'd been here... only got 2 out of 10, and they were like almost all that got them out of race time. 15 only time in in Fed etc.
Roland Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Always miss the first race or two.... Wait till May, but most so I;m not in averages. ALL Ole Timers drill it into to you, Avarages cast you good birds. Very true too, and well you know it. Rue the day if lost.... better to wonder and race next season I guess.
Guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 Thanks for all the advice, comments. The decision is I'm not competing, even though I have to move my loft for next year hopefully the birds will resettle and have another go next year!
Guest stb Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 Thanks for all the advice, comments. The decision is I'm not competing, even though I have to move my loft for next year hopefully the birds will resettle and have another go next year!right decision alan. you had not prepared them for saintes anyway but if they settle well for next year you can then set out your stall for that. I personally would not send unprepared pigeons to win an average, but no many who have and thrown there lot to the wind with drastic consequences
Roland Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Well you of course never will know.... just pace and thin. But you will breed of them now next season and hopefully race them ... Would you have been able to if yoou had sent :-/ :-/ No, but you know next season ...
Guest stb Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Well you of course never will know.... just pace and thin. But you will breed of them now next season and hopefully race them ... Would you have been able to if yoou had sent :-/ :-/ No, but you know next season ...Roland you been on the vodka again???
alec guinness Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 have always tried to race from first race to last race and yes have won more than my fair share of averages,most ob averages will finish with races from the further distances this is where most averages are won and lost,sometimes a fancier who finds himself in a leading poition going into the later races might then make the mistake of pushing on birds that are not capable,but thats doo racing for you and we are all after that wee pot of gold!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;)
Guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 have always tried to race from first race to last race and yes have won more than my fair share of averages,most ob averages will finish with races from the further distances this is where most averages are won and lost,sometimes a fancier who finds himself in a leading poition going into the later races might then make the mistake of pushing on birds that are not capable,but thats doo racing for you and we are all after that wee pot of gold!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;) Intetresting point which highlights the different ways we race in the home countries. The NFC last race (Saintes) is not our longest, Saintes is 380 to me, would much rather have this race 4 weeks prior to Tarbes which is the longest, instaed of 4 weeks after it!!
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Alan if you had been in the leading couple i would say yes try and pick something out to try and win your section average which would have been a fantastic achievement but with the last race only being a 300+ mile race i do not see you being able to catch Mr & Mrs Naum who is a couple of hundred yards ahead although that might have been different story if was a 5-600 mile race for the last one were anything can happen. Given all the circumstances i believe you have made the correct decision to let it go for the year. 8) 8)
Guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Gareth yes you're right i would never have caught Paul Naum, he's flown really well all year. The temptation for me simply was to finish in the top ten of the averages, of course by not competing that is not possible. As I said to Vincent above it's about improving. I'm doing well with Heinz 57 and will continue to go with 57's because I believe a good pigeon is good pigeon, no matter what it's called. The key to me is right type to right type i.e. quality 500/700 miler to quality500/700 miler, getting the type is the problem!!! I know they're out there but they are beyond my means at the moment, so it's selective breeding to improve what I have! Though I do have some l/b coming down from Scotland which I am very excited about!!
Roland Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 stb re ...Roland you been on the vodka again??? Yes ;D ;D ;D
Ronnie Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 i was in the running for the club channel average's(i know its not the same league) last race was niort and i had to gain 6 hours back niort being near 500 mile to me i knew it was possible.Well after checking the weather again and again i decided not to send the two cocks i fancied (father and son both good birds and best i own) i did however send the other 3cocks and 2 hens i had lined up bear in mind i only had a team of 7 cocks and a few spare hens well come the niort race and the race was held over just as i though it would but then on 6am sunday they were up this shocked me as i was expecting a monday lib.well i won the club 9th fed with a yearling clock at 7:30am the next morning not seen another pigeon.Did i make the right choice ?i believ so .did i win the averages ?no i dont think so but it will still be close ive still gotmy two good cocks and now an unexpected bonus cock who i thought was not much good.On a side note the race was a smash with only a couple on the night and most people losing most of there birds.As a double bonus my best cocks youngster won the young bird race by 4 minutes from 90 mile i know first few races mean nothing but still a nice suprise.
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