ets & manual

[Novice]

 

I agree with you We should tell them where to shove there rules as it the fanciers that keep them in a salary

 

 

 

This thread obviously started as a wind up and the bait has been taken. Especially when posted on a Friday night.

The only problem with the introduction of ets is the fact that the rings are not sold through a union and registered against a loft.

That would prevent removal of rings for reuse and also help control racing of strays.

It would also ensure that some of the profits were returned to the fancier.

[pjc]

 

so you are saying them that are against the ets system their birds are crap .yer talking rubbish

 

No, thats not what I said but many that can't fly a kite think ets will make them winners or the winners have another advantage instead of looking in the mirror and seeing why they aren't winning!

[Guest Owen]

I think we have to accept that there are some who will not want to use ETS, no matter what. We have a Guy in our Club who has been given the use of a Bricon System and 60 rings. Although now retired, he used to do quite a technical job and he would be well up to using it. But he will not. Some say that he is against the idea of paying the money out for rings when the time comes that he will have to replace them. Every race he turns up with his birds, never pooled, and his STB Clock.

He told me recently that he thinks it unfair that I and others put our birds on the Darkness System. He said that his birds could not compete with mine because his were heavy in the moult.

At one time, I used to get quite fed up with him. Not any more. He is just one of those who likes to "See my birds come home", flyers. No ambition, happy to win a race once in two years and props up the sheet most weeks.

The worrying thing about this Fellow is the fact that he has plenty to say at the meetings. And his attitude is to have Pigeon Racing like it was in the fifties and sixties. Although no-one takes him seriously, he still has a vote, and I have no doubt that there are times when he will influence others. I bet there are plenty of people out there who think a lot like this Chap and they can affect the outcome of anything we try to do to drag the sport into the modern era.

[pjc]

I think we have to accept that there are some who will not want to use ETS, no matter what. We have a Guy in our Club who has been given the use of a Bricon System and 60 rings. Although now retired, he used to do quite a technical job and he would be well up to using it. But he will not. Some say that he is against the idea of paying the money out for rings when the time comes that he will have to replace them. Every race he turns up with his birds, never pooled, and his STB Clock.

He told me recently that he thinks it unfair that I and others put our birds on the Darkness System. He said that his birds could not compete with mine because his were heavy in the moult.

At one time, I used to get quite fed up with him. Not any more. He is just one of those who likes to "See my birds come home", flyers. No ambition, happy to win a race once in two years and props up the sheet most weeks.

The worrying thing about this Fellow is the fact that he has plenty to say at the meetings. And his attitude is to have Pigeon Racing like it was in the fifties and sixties. Although no-one takes him seriously, he still has a vote, and I have no doubt that there are times when he will influence others. I bet there are plenty of people out there who think a lot like this Chap and they can affect the outcome of anything we try to do to drag the sport into the modern era.

 

Every club has "stick in the muds", and that will never change. There will also be fanciers still winning with there faithful old windup, surely this is what the sports all about, good birds, good management and pleasure from seeing the birds come!

[Guest peter.j]

i use an stb wind up which is a cracking little clock but if i had the money would definately use ets for the birds sake as much as mine as handling them after a race cannot be beneficial to them.....pete

[pjc]

i use an stb wind up which is a cracking little clock but if i had the money would definately use ets for the birds sake as much as mine as handling them after a race cannot be beneficial to them.....pete

 

Likewise Peter, I also know of some top national flyers that have ETS but have been using rubbers and a conventional clock for the Nationals!

 

 

 

[gd]

The way mine have been flying I need an hour start anyway so quibling about 15 secs load of rubbish

 

 

seriously tho' clocks are finished - ets is the dogs dangly bits - got to move with the times or strangulate the sport further

[Pompey Mick]

I would have thought that the only time a ' National' flyer uses a clock instead of his ETS is when it's an International, then you have to cover your ETS times by clocking both rubbers within 15 mins.

As for the fuddy-duddies ruling this sport, when I bought my first Junior in 1965 it was designed for thimbless clocking. "No chance", says our Union, "we cant have this sort of forward thinking, what about all the Toulets and Le Con users they will be at a disadvantage."

It has taken 45yrs for our Union to allow us to have the benefits enjoyed by our Continental cousins. This is the sort of negative attitudes that prevails in a lot of our regions. I think the best plan being mooted is that the Regions will be dismantled and a central elected body take its place.

There is to much of a Council Type bureaucracy in place at the moment. The RPRA should concentrate on Ring registration, Distances, Approved timing systems and promoting the sport. Let the Clubs sort out their domestic rules.

[jimmy white]

What would be the point of that? I definately do not want to have to catch birds that have just raced their guts out. Is this the same old fashioned Stick in the Muds trying to drag us all back to the dark ages?

It is a pity that these old fashioned Clowns could not be in a Club or their own away from the rest of us. Surely they should packed in their moaning and groaning by now.

 

i agree, but have the feeling  there would be very few in the "old fashioned clowns or  stick in the muds" club most are 100 pc for ets now,, as i would be [partly as i am dis-abled, but simply  "as the way forward"]

 

the old fashioned clowns ,,, raced 7,000 birds to the blue ribband rennes race,,  THIS   old fashioned clown , raced in a club with 45 members [now 10 members] against 700 birds each week,  in the club, for sometimes over £500 in prize and pool money,,[winning 13 races out of a poss 17 [second in the other 4 ] with many other positions in the same races,,,races 6-7000 in the  fed[winning fed supreme ave] setting a record , never beaten to this day, with 12 pigeons [out of 18 sent] all winning prize and pool money winning £3,000], many snfc  positions with large birdages inc 2cnd nat from 608 miles,, etc etc,, maybe its time the younger fanciers took a leaf out of  the the old fashioned  [rich ;D£5,000 winnings with" sir colin"] clowns,, and made racing,,,,RACING YES, a proud old fashioned  clown ;D ;D

[blaz]

 

What a load o crap!!

 

What on earth gives anyone the right to penalise an ets bird 15 seconds or awarding a non ets bird 15 seconds, whichever the case may be.

 

Next you'll be wantin another 10 seconds cos it was too windy where you live  ;D

 

"GET A LIFE"  

i have a life i have also been told to stop winding member up and to cut back on the beer on friday,s  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

i use an stb wind up which is a cracking little clock but if i had the money would definately use ets for the birds sake as much as mine as handling them after a race cannot be beneficial to them.....pete

 

 

It has been done for years and it lets you check to see if the bird is injured in anyway aswell

 

"Come on the STB"

[naedoos]

 

i agree, but have the feeling  there would be very few in the "old fashioned clowns or  stick in the muds" club most are 100 pc for ets now,, as i would be [partly as i am dis-abled, but simply  "as the way forward"]

 

the old fashioned clowns ,,, raced 7,000 birds to the blue ribband rennes race,,  THIS   old fashioned clown , raced in a club with 45 members [now 10 members] against 700 birds each week,  in the club, for sometimes over £500 in prize and pool money,,[winning 13 races out of a poss 17 [second in the other 4 ] with many other positions in the same races,,,races 6-7000 in the  fed[winning fed supreme ave] setting a record , never beaten to this day, with 12 pigeons [out of 18 sent] all winning prize and pool money winning £3,000], many snfc  positions with large birdages inc 2cnd nat from 608 miles,, etc etc,, maybe its time the younger fanciers took a leaf out of  the the old fashioned  [rich ;D£5,000 winnings with" sir colin"] clowns,, and made racing,,,,RACING YES, a proud old fashioned  clown ;D ;D

 

 

Well done to you Jimmy and no one can take that away from you, but like all other sports to stand still is to fall behind, dreaming about the past won't make you better in the future. I'm afraid everything must move forward with the times and yes it must of felt great winning against 6000 birds but if there's only 600 to race against I'm afraid that'll have to do

 

[cowman]

Think it would be totally pointless and being ets was bought in originally for disabled fanciers having to use a manual clock again would i imagine cause a few problems  In our club on the Internationals we do have a rule where even if you time in on ets you have to time in your rubbers but then so do all those racing from the continent

 

i take it you don`t fly under rpra rules then as a second clock may only be used if clock 1 fails . our fed have 3 races where they say birds have to be double rubbered on championship races but if you use ets this cannot be implicated .

[Guest Davy Fleming]

We shouldn't even be discussing such a topic at this stage. after all that's happened over these last few years. and be giving the anti brigade anything to go on about.   We should simply ignore any comments that's made and enjoy the banter that we all have on this site and  get on with our hobby that we all love.  BECAUSE THERE WISH HAS NO NO NO NO NO CHANCE.

[Guest peter.j]

 

 

It has been done for years and it lets you check to see if the bird is injured in anyway aswell

 

"Come on the STB"

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so has foxhunting and bear baiting but its time to move forward ,as for checking the birds would 5 minutes for a drink and a feed make much difference unless you have to get ya rubber off i dont think it would....pete

[Guest IB]

I'm sure SHU & RPRA have it in their ets rules that 'penalties' on ets isn't allowed, so I think 'this talk' is pure wind-up.

 

Costs of manual and ets systems have also come into line recently, so main complaint (high cost) no longer applies. Was speaking to a nearby club member on funding for ets and he says his club's membership of 22 has been refused 'Lottery funding' for ets on 5 occasions. So demand for it is still there and eventually it will become cheaper than a conventional clock as ets will become first choice.

 

Don't like catching birds fresh from a race, and I don't think the birds like it either. So for me its a winner on that score alone. We rubber ets birds for our National races, and it sure slows marking down to a crawl. Other than as a Standby, personally don't see the need for that provided ets system is robust & reliable, certainly at the beginning of the year, my ets system had programming errors, and that's why I had a manual clock set for the National races, but admit to having forgot to time the rubber on more than one occasion. And funny thing happened as I was getting my STB ready last night, my 'standby' clock, discovered it had stopped ~ put in new battery at beginning of year, dead already, so back today to what I've done for last few years, using ets proper.  :-/

 

 

[jimmy white]

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Well done to you Jimmy and no one can take that away from you, but like all other sports to stand still is to fall behind, dreaming about the past won't make you better in the future. I'm afraid everything must move forward with the times and yes it must of felt great winning against 6000 birds but if there's only 600 to race against I'm afraid that'll have to do

 

i agree with you wholeheartedly   its def,  forward we should look, , the problem being, we dont look forward far enough allthough ets has made a big difference, i feel that the sport in general  needs re-vamped

[gdb]

This thread was not started as a wind up it was started on a friday night after i had been to the pub as you may have work out from the spelling. But this is what was told to me by a region member he was going to by ETS but now he is waiting to see if this goes through

 

 

 

This thread obviously started as a wind up and the bait has been taken. Especially when posted on a Friday night.

The only problem with the introduction of ets is the fact that the rings are not sold through a union and registered against a loft.

That would prevent removal of rings for reuse and also help control racing of strays.

It would also ensure that some of the profits were returned to the fancier.