torch why do my bird's not like it?

[frank-123]

looking at my birds with a torch tonight noticed not every bird but some birds would open there beak and shake there heads take the torch off them they would stop put it back they did not like it

is this a sign of canker?

or is it an old wife's tale i read ;D

[Roland]

Rr.... you wanna see their reaction when you do it with a Blow Torch  lol   ;D ;D

[Guest frank dooman]

wet canker

[Guest bigda]

could well be frank, or maybe they are yawning thinking its  sun up   ;D ;D

[Guest strapper]

looking at my birds with a torch tonight noticed not every bird but some birds would open there beak and shake there heads take the torch off them they would stop put it back they did not like it

is this a sign of canker?

or is it an old wife's tale i read ;D

 

they thought you was a burglar ??) ??)

 

its supposed to signal canker but ive never tried it so wouldnt confirm it.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

looking at my birds with a torch tonight noticed not every bird but some birds would open there beak and shake there heads take the torch off them they would stop put it back they did not like it

is this a sign of canker?

or is it an old wife's tale i read ;D

 

Could be a sign of wet canker, was in the loft a few weeks ago myself at night with torch went round all the pigeons for 2 nights in a row and had one cock who on both nights was shaking his head anyhow treated him with a canker tablet and the next night he was looking as good as the rest of them with no shaking of his head.

 

 

 

 

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Didn't know that one guys but will try it

[Guest mick bowler]

Frank its def (wet) canker. Treat  them and then repeat week after the won't do it. Have done this for years.

[ribble]

Frank its def (wet) canker. Treat  them and then repeat week after the won't do it. Have done this for years.

 

What Canker product is best for wet Canker?

[Guest Owen]

 

Are you crackers or what? How would you like your sleep disturbed by some one shinning a light into your eyes. Why not leave the poor little devils alone and check them with a microscope? Old wives tales or not, it is a crazy thing to do.

[Guest frank dooman]

 

What Canker product is best for wet Canker?

 

ronidisidol

[holmsidelofts]

Are you crackers or what? How would you like your sleep disturbed by some one shinning a light into your eyes. Why not leave the poor little devils alone and check them with a microscope? Old wives tales or not, it is a crazy thing to do.

 

Totally agree mate. What a load of rubbish, Microscope the only way to tell. Blind treatment isnt the way forward either, especially with canker as they can get immune to the treatment.

 

[Guest rodders]

wet canker reacts to light so when torch light hits it causes bird to shake and scratch beak

[thunderboult]

wet canker reacts to light so when torch light hits it causes bird to shake and scratch beak

 

why bother waiting until dark then, just get them out in the sun.

[Guest IB]

wet canker reacts to light so when torch light hits it causes bird to shake and scratch beak

 

I was interested in this, and wondered why I had never heard of it before especially since tests for trich involve a microscope with a light source?

 

Anyway did a short search on light sensitivity, found nothing on that, but did turn up this, which is 10+ years old, and talks about sensitivity tests with the class of drug mentioned on this thread, on trich isolated from a pigeon, and trich isolated from 3 wild birds.

 

Funny thing. Drug killed trich isolated from 3 wild birds, but not the trich isolated from the pigeon.

 

Only reason that I can spot for this difference is that wild birds aren't blind treated with drugs?

 

In vivo and in vitro sensitivity of Trichomonas gallinae to some nitroimidazole drugs

 

E. Munoz*, J. Castella and J. F. Gutierrez Parasitologia I Malalties Parasitaries, Facultat de Veterinaria, Edifici V 08193 Bellaterra (Barcelona) Spain

 

Received 23 December 1997;

accepted 28 March 1998.

Available online 7 October 1998.

 

Abstract

A study was carried out in order to establish the in vivo efficacy of two nitroimidazole drugs against the flagellate Trichomonas gallinae. The results obtained showed a high proportion of therapeutic failures. Thus, carnidazole and dimetridazole failed to eliminate infection in 13 of 17 and 20 of 21 racing pigeons, respectively. The in vitro susceptibility of four T. gallinae isolates to five nitroimidazolic drugs, that is, carnidazole, dimetridazole, metronidazole, ornidazole and ronidazole, was also determined. Minimal lethal concentrations (MLCs) of these drugs were obtained. One of the isolates tested had already proved to be resistant in the first in vivo tests, while the other three had been obtained from wild birds. We were able to confirm in vitro the resistance of the racing pigeon isolate to all the nitroimidazole drugs tested. For carnidazole, dimetridazole, metronidazole and ornidazole the MLC ranged between 93.75–500 μg ml. Although ronidazole showed a greater potency than the other nitroimidazole derivatives against this isolate (MLC: 15.62–31.25 μg ml), 8–22 times more drug was necessary for efficacy against this isolate compared to the others. These other three parasite isolates proved to be sensitive to the five drugs tested (MLC: 0.97–7.81 μg ml).