Selling Pigeons

[Guest Glen]

I would buy birds from Tony C if I lived in Britain. I would expect the strain, distance and flying performances of the family. Through reading this forum for over a year, I know exactly who I,d buy birds from and who I would not. I don,t believe in impulse buying,best to do your homework first.

[whiteknight]

pigeonscout, of course it is quite possible for pigeons who have never flown to have winning genes and pass them on to their offspring. There must be plenty of examples of it happening. But what a gamble!

I think that the safer option for me is to use the smallest number of birds to breed with that is possible. I want to concentrate the winning genes as much as I can. I have been interested in genetics for a very long time now and I have been interested in learning how professional geneticists do things. And their approach is basically quite simple really. They select their breeding stock as best they can and produce offspring. Then they test the offspring for what ever they have decided to be the target end product they want. And after that they continue to breed from those that show progress towards their target. The whole thing is based on progeny testing. I can understand why you would want to breed from untested stock to start with, but after the first generation it seems totally daft to me. The simple question is how do you expect to know which direction you are heading in? Like you, I started the ball rolling by buying birds from people who seemed to have the right stuff. Then I used them to breed youngsters, just like yourself. The results were very unpredicable and some were down right disappointing. I ended up putting a lot of money's worth in the bin. And at first I could not identify birds that would give my stock I could work with. Then I had a piece of luck. I bred a National winner followed by some very reliable birds. So from that day on, I stopped the gambling on the promises of others, and worked with known factors ever since. These days I would not dream of breeding from untried birds. It is definately too much of a gamble for me. I will continue to make progress with know factors. Sometimes progress is slow but my direction is always under control  rather than being random as it used to be.    

WELL OUT OF UNTRIED STOCK BIRDS IVE BRED OVER 30 1st CLUB WINNERS 7 1st FEDERATION WINNERS 6 1st BREEDER BUYER WINNERS AND MANY OTHERS SO DO YOUR HOME WORK ON YOUR BIRDS FIRST .  

 

 

[pigeonscout]

pigeonscout, of course it is quite possible for pigeons who have never flown to have winning genes and pass them on to their offspring. There must be plenty of examples of it happening. But what a gamble!

I think that the safer option for me is to use the smallest number of birds to breed with that is possible. I want to concentrate the winning genes as much as I can. I have been interested in genetics for a very long time now and I have been interested in learning how professional geneticists do things. And their approach is basically quite simple really. They select their breeding stock as best they can and produce offspring. Then they test the offspring for what ever they have decided to be the target end product they want. And after that they continue to breed from those that show progress towards their target. The whole thing is based on progeny testing. I can understand why you would want to breed from untested stock to start with, but after the first generation it seems totally daft to me. The simple question is how do you expect to know which direction you are heading in? Like you,

I started the ball rolling by buying birds from people who seemed to have the right stuff. Then I used them to breed youngsters, just like yourself. The results were very unpredicable and some were down right disappointing. I ended up putting a lot of money's worth in the bin. And at first I could not identify birds that would give my stock I could work with. Then I had a piece of luck. I bred a National winner followed by some very reliable birds. So from that day on, I stopped the gambling on the promises of others, and worked with known factors ever since. These days I would not dream of breeding from untried birds. It is definately too much of a gamble for me. I will continue to make progress with know factors. Sometimes progress is slow but my direction is always under control  rather than being random as it used to be.    

 

You can not tell how good the offspring are going to be until you have bred from them I have stock birds in my loft that bred winners every single year that never raced well and I have birds that have won 6 races and never bred a young bird to make it to the first race.just because a bird wins races does not mean it will bred winners and just because a bird was no good at racing does not mean it will not breed winners.

[Guest Jargre-]

WELL OUT OF UNTRIED STOCK BIRDS IVE BRED OVER 30 1st CLUB WINNERS 7 1st FEDERATION WINNERS 6 1st BREEDER BUYER WINNERS AND MANY OTHERS SO DO YOUR HOME WORK ON YOUR BIRDS FIRST .  

 

 

Is that all?   ;D ;D ;D  

[pigeonscout]

If winners bred winners then we would all be buying or birds from the big studs as they buy a lot of the top winning birds. And who do they buy their top winning birds of the back garden fancier. The reason for this is they find it hard to breed their own with all their top winning stock birds.

[Guest stb-]

are you on commision Roland, :P

[Guest bigda]

If winners bred winners then we would all be buying or birds from the big studs as they buy a lot of the top winning birds. And who do they buy their top winning birds of the back garden fancier. The reason for this is they find it hard to breed their own with all their top winning stock birds.

 

still better to buy from fanciers that race there birds  and have the race results to show and  fed cards  as  apples dont fall far from the tree   do it  any other way and you  will find that your 2 years away from where you started

[Roland]

are you on commision Roland, :P

 

Working me way up to get a decent deal on some good birds lol. No stupid me eh! :P ;D ;D

[pigeonscout]

The results of a stock bird mean nothing to me the results of its offspring mean everything.

Owen I know where you are comming from and agree that the winning blood must be in the family but the bird itself does not need to be a winning bird to breed winning birds.

I think you are taking a bigger chance by putting a bird in the bin you have not bred of just because it was not a winner. My birds only go to the stock loft when they have bred winners

and not because they have won x amount of races. If they breed me a winner as yearlings they will not race again. There is no point putting a winning bird in the stock loft if it is not breeding winners. I had guy a my loft asking for young birds out of a cock that won 6 races I told him he would be better off with young birds from another cock who is breeding winners but who has never won a race. He look at me like I had two heads and said no I want them out of the winner.

[pigeonscout]

 

still better to buy from fanciers that race there birds  and have the race results to show and  fed cards  as  apples dont fall far from the tree   do it  any other way and you  will find that your 2 years away from where you started

 

I agree with you as theses men have stock birds that are breeding winners.

[Guest bigda]

The results of a stock bird mean nothing to me the results of its offspring mean everything.

Owen I know where you are comming from and agree that the winning blood must be in the family but the bird itself does not need to be a winning bird to breed winning birds.

I think you are taking a bigger chance by putting a bird in the bin you have not bred of just because it was not a winner. My birds only go to the stock loft when they have bred winners

and not because they have won x amount of races. If they breed me a winner as yearlings they will not race again. There is no point putting a winning bird in the stock loft if it is not breeding winners. I had guy a my loft asking for young birds out of a cock that won 6 races I told hem he would be better off with young birds from another cock who is breeding winners but who has never won a race. He look at me like I had two heads and said no I want them out of the winner.

  where we come from the bird would have won  three races then  bread three winners then put into stock,  

 

 

[THE FIFER]

 

Fair comment mate, as I said I will ask the appropriate people. Disclosure of personal information applies on this site, as I understand that everyone who registers has to supply their email address in order to activate their account. So confidentiality of personal information is practised anyway. What I am saying is buyers who don't don't honour a sale should be treated in the same manner as sellers.

 

 

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[pigeonscout]

  where we come from the bird would have won  three races then  bread three winners then put into stock,  

 

 

Cant be to many stock lofts where you come from

[Guest llcoolj]

HELLO MY FELLOW FANCIERS. REMEMBER I DID ASK A QUESTION ABOUT MONTH AGO. RACING PIGEON SPORTS OR BUSINESS? SO REMEMBER IF YOU ARE A BUYER OR A SELLER, AND IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE THEN FEAR NOT.

FOR THOSE WHO ARE SO CALLED GOLD MEMBERS, UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE HERE, ALL ARE NOT GOLD MEMBER.

 

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD "THIS IS JUST A SPORT" DO NOT BE LIKE JOHN TERRY, BETRAYING YOUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN. 8)

[Guest stb-]

HELLO MY FELLOW FANCIERS. REMEMBER I DID ASK A QUESTION ABOUT MONTH AGO. RACING PIGEON SPORTS OR BUSINESS? SO REMEMBER IF YOU ARE A BUYER OR A SELLER, AND IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE THEN FEAR NOT.

FOR THOSE WHO ARE SO CALLED GOLD MEMBERS, UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE HERE, ALL ARE NOT GOLD MEMBER.

 

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD "THIS IS JUST A SPORT" DO NOT BE LIKE JOHN TERRY, BETRAYING YOUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN. 8)

 

wHO DID HE BETRAY , SURELY HASNY DONE THEM AW ;D ;D

[Guest bigda]

 

Cant be to many stock lofts where you come from

 

thats the standard mate  you are looking for  top stud will hav a bird 17 first paired to 17 first  from parents from  16-17 first  young  out the nest £1,500 -£2,000  directs   ;)

[Guest strapper]

HELLO MY FELLOW FANCIERS. REMEMBER I DID ASK A QUESTION ABOUT MONTH AGO. RACING PIGEON SPORTS OR BUSINESS? SO REMEMBER IF YOU ARE A BUYER OR A SELLER, AND IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE THEN FEAR NOT.

FOR THOSE WHO ARE SO CALLED GOLD MEMBERS, UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE HERE, ALL ARE NOT GOLD MEMBER.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD "THIS IS JUST A SPORT" DO NOT BE LIKE JOHN TERRY, BETRAYING YOUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN. 8)

 

so you are saying everyone is ok that aint a gold member ?

can you explain it clearer?

 

[Guest llcoolj]

STRAPPER MATEEEE.... I SUGGEST YOU GO BACK TO SCHOOL.. PLEASE DO NOT TWIST WHAT I SAID. I SHALL PUT IT IN A VERY SIMPLE LANGUAGE. I BELIEVE MOST OF US ARE NOT GOLD MEMBERS, FOR THOSE WHO ARE, THEN YOU HAVE MORE PRIVILEGES.  CABISH HOMBRE.... 8) 8)

[Guest strapper]

STRAPPER MATEEEE.... I SUGGEST YOU GO BACK TO SCHOOL.. PLEASE DO NOT TWIST WHAT I SAID. I SHALL PUT IT IN A VERY SIMPLE LANGUAGE. I BELIEVE MOST OF US ARE NOT GOLD MEMBERS, FOR THOSE WHO ARE, THEN YOU HAVE MORE PRIVILEGES.  CABISH HOMBRE.... 8) 8)

 

i think it is you that needs to go back to school , i aint trying to twist anything you said..didnt even enter my mind too.

well since you think that we gold members have more priviledges then explain where by other than able to sell birds????..because i have not seen any extra other than that?

and if you pay your £25 then you would be a gold member..nothing extra but being able to sell...but i thought everyone already knew that?

[Guest stb-]

 

i think it is you that needs to go back to school , i aint trying to twist anything you said..didnt even enter my mind too.

well since you think that we gold members have more priviledges then explain where by other than able to sell birds????..because i have not seen any extra other than that?

and if you pay your £25 then you would be a gold member..nothing extra but being able to sell...but i thought everyone already knew that?

 

obviously one didnt Paul ;D ;D ;D

[Guest strapper]

with the amount of fanciers not knowing the rules  on how to become a gold member and the charge,plus how gold members have to registra with admin 1st, i think there needs to be a sticky ,to avoid anymore misleading posts.

 

 

 

[Roland]

Think if there is any more 'Sticky's' there won't be any room left for 'Headings' lol.

Any way you behave strapper and stop spouting out about being a famed and Gold member with all your advantages!   ;D ;D

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

would it not be a gd idea as well for members not to be able to make them selfs gold till after 500 posts so that the members will know who there dealing with and the gold member has had to put a bit of input into the site first

[Guest stb-]

Think if there is any more 'Sticky's' there won't be any room left for 'Headings' lol.

Any way you behave strapper and stop spouting out about being a famed and Gold member with all your advantages!   ;D ;D

 

THEY  may get rid of the GOLD members :o sell them all to CASH FOR GOLD  ;D ;D ;D

[kingbilly2]

would it not be a gd idea as well for members not to be able to make them selfs gold till after 500 posts so that the members will know who there dealing with and the gold member has had to put a bit of input into the site first

 

GOOD REPUTATION AND YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO ADVERTISE   ;)