Selling Pigeons

[walterbmasson]

 

bigda a photo dose,nt  tell you anything . there is 2 things you need that the eye cant see the blood and the brain box.

i a good bl--dy  job there would not be much left the amount that is lost and the amount that is kept that hasent done nothing but sells them on to breed more

sh--e

[Guest strapper]

 

So why is this information taken for sellers

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1263329805/s-8/highlight-sellers/#num8

 

and not for buyers

 

your right bob m8..too many are demanding this and that for sellers but nothing on buyers doing the same..ie info ..too one sided me thinks.

quick enough to state what sellers should be doing but hold back when asked about buyers info.

[Guest stb-]

 

your right bob m8..too many are demanding this and that for sellers but nothing on buyers doing the same..ie info ..too one sided me thinks.

quick enough to state what sellers should be doing but hold back when asked about buyers info.

 

SELLERS  should defo register ,   dont think you should hve to register as a buyer thoo.

 

I THINK ALL THE SELLER NEEDS IS  A DELIVERY ADDRESS AND THERE MONEY SENT TO THEM,   once the chqs cleared you shouldnt need to know anymore .

 

A lot of people buy things at auctions and use someone elses name.

Shops have to register as retailers but customers dont have to register to buy  ,JMO

 

 

[Guest strapper]

 

SELLERS  should defo register ,   dont think you should hve to register as a buyer thoo.

 

I THINK ALL THE SELLER NEEDS IS  A DELIVERY ADDRESS AND THERE MONEY SENT TO THEM,   once the chqs cleared you shouldnt need to know anymore .

 

A lot of people buy things at auctions and use someone elses name.

Shops have to register as retailers but customers dont have to register to buy  ,JMO

 

 

sellers have already registered with the site full name address and club fed union...thats what you do before becoming a gold member rob...i had to fill everything in m8.

[Guest stb-]

 

sellers have already registered with the site full name address and club fed union...thats what you do before becoming a gold member rob...i had to fill everything in m8.

 

Thats good Paul , think thats does safe gaurd buyers a good bit . :)

 

Will stop the flyby night ones as they wont want to give there real details  

 

 

 

 

[Guest strapper]

im surprised that no mod has come to back up what sellers have to do before they become a seller.

 

i think a bit of info from them would ease all those that are asking for info on sellers...who may believe that sellers dont reveal their real names and addresses/clubs....come out of the wood work lol

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

SELLERS  should defo register ,   dont think you should hve to register as a buyer thoo.

 

I THINK ALL THE SELLER NEEDS IS  A DELIVERY ADDRESS AND THERE MONEY SENT TO THEM,   once the chqs cleared you shouldnt need to know anymore .

 

A lot of people buy things at auctions and use someone elses name.

Shops have to register as retailers but customers dont have to register to buy  ,JMO

 

 

I think the point that is being made, is that certain people bid on lots in sales, etc and then disappear into the ether without trace, wasting the sellers time and effort and also the opportunity of a genuine buyer purchasing the bird. I speak from experience on this site. JMO

 

[Guest BRYANBROCK]

 

What if i had no results to show you and i just bought the best bloodlines there is would you buy pigeons from me[/quote

 

Personally i would rather buy the fancier simply because he got he birds to prize table

pigeons are only as good as there owner  simple yes   ;) ;)

[pjc]

 

I think the point that is being made, is that certain people bid on lots in sales, etc and then disappear into the ether without trace, wasting the sellers time and effort and also the opportunity of a genuine buyer purchasing the bird. I speak from experience on this site. JMO

 

in one recent case the buyer purchased a bird in an online auction (charity), they took nearly a month of being chased before they paid and then over a month after they had received the bird they said it was sick and wanted there money back!

[Guest Jargre-]

 

So why is this information taken for sellers

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1263329805/s-8/highlight-sellers/#num8

 

and not for buyers

Dunno, ask the right person mate, that's not me.   :-/  

 

 

[Guest lenwadebob]

Dunno, ask the right person mate, that's not me.   :-/  

 

 

I thought I would ask you as you quoted disclosure of private informtion http://www.ico.gov.uk/ and thought you may know the answer. Will ask in the appropriate place now, thanks.

[BLACK W F]

Somtimes sellers comments dont help them , like askin for people to pay a deposit to see pedigree,s or ring numbers :-/ :-/ :-/

 

 

quote[Van Loon and no I'm not posting any ring numbers, if your a serious buyer then pay a deposit and I'll tell you war and peace about the bird and its history.  ]

 

Who would seriously pay a deposit to to find out details of birds for sale, do they think were all stupid :-/

 

is that a joke pay a deposit  and i,ll show you their peds     ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[pigeonscout]

How many birds does the seller breed and who else is winning with them.

 

[Guest Jargre-]

 

I thought I would ask you as you quoted disclosure of private informtion http://www.ico.gov.uk/ and thought you may know the answer. Will ask in the appropriate place now, thanks.

I do know the answer Bob but it ain't my place to be saying.     

 

 

[Guest bigda]

he"d be doing great,  considering he only got his loft 5 weeks ago.

[Guest lenwadebob]

I do know the answer Bob but it ain't my place to be saying.     

 

 

Fair comment mate, as I said I will ask the appropriate people. Disclosure of personal information applies on this site, as I understand that everyone who registers has to supply their email address in order to activate their account. So confidentiality of personal information is practised anyway. What I am saying is buyers who don't don't honour a sale should be treated in the same manner as sellers.

[Guest stb-]

 

Fair comment mate, as I said I will ask the appropriate people. Disclosure of personal information applies on this site, as I understand that everyone who registers has to supply their email address in order to activate their account. So confidentiality of personal information is practised anyway. What I am saying is buyers who don't don't honour a sale should be treated in the same manner as sellers.

 

bob an email addrees could be anything  or anyone m8

[Guest bigda]

dont think there are hard questions, you put a bird up for  sale saying it a van=its sire  done  this its dam  done that,  it has done  this  for me,   or it hasent raced, or it hasent bred any thing,   say that and  no need  from any one to ask  any more

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

bob an email addrees could be anything  or anyone m8

 

I appreciate that mate   My point is that both buyer and seller should be treated equally. It applies on Ebay and in many other places. I don't think anyone is asking the site owners to disclose personal information, (which would contravene the Data Protection Act), but to treat both buyer and seller equally, and act accordingly on either party if they renege on a deal. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander - I am sure you would agree on the principle of it.

[Guest bigda]

can also work as if the goods  are as not described,   returned at the  sellers cost  pay pal

[pigeonscout]

Winners do not always bred winners I wish it was that easy much better chance of buying winners from proven stock pairs and some of them have never been in a race basket. There has been more national winners bred from birds that never won a race than from national winners themselves.  A guy who is breeding winners year in year out has in my view proven stock birds and is the man to buy from.

[Guest Jargre-]

Winners do not always bred winners I wish it was that easy much better chance of buying winners from proven stock pairs and some of them have never been in a race basket. There has been more national winners bred from birds that never won a race than from national winners themselves.  A guy who is breeding winners year in year out has in my view proven stock birds and is the man to buy from.

 

[Guest Owen]

pigeonscout, of course it is quite possible for pigeons who have never flown to have winning genes and pass them on to their offspring. There must be plenty of examples of it happening. But what a gamble!

I think that the safer option for me is to use the smallest number of birds to breed with that is possible. I want to concentrate the winning genes as much as I can. I have been interested in genetics for a very long time now and I have been interested in learning how professional geneticists do things. And their approach is basically quite simple really. They select their breeding stock as best they can and produce offspring. Then they test the offspring for what ever they have decided to be the target end product they want. And after that they continue to breed from those that show progress towards their target. The whole thing is based on progeny testing. I can understand why you would want to breed from untested stock to start with, but after the first generation it seems totally daft to me. The simple question is how do you expect to know which direction you are heading in? Like you, I started the ball rolling by buying birds from people who seemed to have the right stuff. Then I used them to breed youngsters, just like yourself. The results were very unpredicable and some were down right disappointing. I ended up putting a lot of money's worth in the bin. And at first I could not identify birds that would give my stock I could work with. Then I had a piece of luck. I bred a National winner followed by some very reliable birds. So from that day on, I stopped the gambling on the promises of others, and worked with known factors ever since. These days I would not dream of breeding from untried birds. It is definately too much of a gamble for me. I will continue to make progress with know factors. Sometimes progress is slow but my direction is always under control  rather than being random as it used to be.    

[Guest bigda]

pigeonscout, of course it is quite possible for pigeons who have never flown to have winning genes and pass them on to their offspring. There must be plenty of examples of it happening. But what a gamble!

I think that the safer option for me is to use the smallest number of birds to breed with that is possible. I want to concentrate the winning genes as much as I can. I have been interested in genetics for a very long time now and I have been interested in learning how professional geneticists do things. And their approach is basically quite simple really. They select their breeding stock as best they can and produce offspring. Then they test the offspring for what ever they have decided to be the target end product they want. And after that they continue to breed from those that show progress towards their target. The whole thing is based on progeny testing. I can understand why you would want to breed from untested stock to start with, but after the first generation it seems totally daft to me. The simple question is how do you expect to know which direction you are heading in? Like you, I started the ball rolling by buying birds from people who seemed to have the right stuff. Then I used them to breed youngsters, just like yourself. The results were very unpredicable and some were down right disappointing. I ended up putting a lot of money's worth in the bin. And at first I could not identify birds that would give my stock I could work with. Then I had a piece of luck. I bred a National winner followed by some very reliable birds. So from that day on, I stopped the gambling on the promises of others, and worked with known factors ever since. These days I would not dream of breeding from untried birds. It is definately too much of a gamble for me. I will continue to make progress with know factors. Sometimes progress is slow but my direction is always under control  rather than being random as it used to be.    

 

well done   Owen,   you have saved this site,  a right few  quid with  your knowledge  

[Guest Jargre-]

pigeonscout, of course it is quite possible for pigeons who have never flown to have winning genes and pass them on to their offspring. There must be plenty of examples of it happening. But what a gamble!

I think that the safer option for me is to use the smallest number of birds to breed with that is possible. I want to concentrate the winning genes as much as I can. I have been interested in genetics for a very long time now and I have been interested in learning how professional geneticists do things. And their approach is basically quite simple really. They select their breeding stock as best they can and produce offspring. Then they test the offspring for what ever they have decided to be the target end product they want. And after that they continue to breed from those that show progress towards their target. The whole thing is based on progeny testing. I can understand why you would want to breed from untested stock to start with, but after the first generation it seems totally daft to me. The simple question is how do you expect to know which direction you are heading in?  

 

 

Good theory if your studying the quality of milk in a cow but in pigeons the practice would never work.   Your saying that someone who buys a son of a multi national winner gets bought for £XXXX is useless because its been untested?   Would you race a £2000 bird?  You need to look into the balance of probabilities before relying to heavy on your theory.  Whilst not guaranteed, nothing ever is, the probability that a well bred bird from a winning family even if untested is likely to produce winners in the right hands is very high.