garden birds with salmonella,canker

[frank-123]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8599509.stm

by tom pennycott who has helped many a fancier in scotland

wonder why the sparrowhawk is not troubled by eating all these small birds

[Guest frank dooman]

prob because they are not there main dinner as we know our birds are but its very interisting about canker as i think someone on here has allready said it kills hawks maybe one of our main problems could actualy help with our bop prob all we need to do is breed six each dont ring them introduce them to as much canker as we can and release to the wild at points that we know are poluited with bops and bobs your uncle and fanny ,s your aunt ;)

[just ask me]

ive said this before and i was laughed at that small birds have cancer think about it if we only feed top grade peanuts to our pigeons peanuts for human consumption god only knows what grade they put into feed for small birds   and as pigeon fanicers we all know how deadly peanuts can be

[Roland]

prob because they are not there main dinner as we know our birds are but its very interisting about canker as i think someone on here has allready said it kills hawks maybe one of our main problems could actualy help with our bop prob all we need to do is breed six each dont ring them introduce them to as much canker as we can and release to the wild at points that we know are poluited with bops and bobs your uncle and fanny ,s your aunt ;)

 

Yep, or follow what Bilco and Les have advocated for so long.

Know a good fancier that says simply. Peregrines.... yes plenty around. Never stay in my vacinity long enough to bother my birds ... like a lot more. Think sometimes that they have a point

[jimmy white]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8599509.stm

by tom pennycott who has helped many a fancier in scotland

wonder why the sparrowhawk is not troubled by eating all these small birds

 

very interesting post,,, just goes to show,, good post

[just ask me]

also think this is a timely reply after the emails rasbull have being sending rspb   and others they will use this info now

[jimmy white]

bop very prone to frounce [trichomoniasis ,,canker]

[Guest frank dooman]

iam not haveing a go at those who vac. against parathphoid but does that vac. actualy put para into the bird so if you didnt use the baytril first and then jaged for para would that bird have enough in its flesh to pass it on to anything that ate it?????

[Roland]

bop very prone to frounce [trichomoniasis ,,canker]

 

Very true. The RSPB now will state it isn't so of course and mislead yet again the vast majority .... like the 'Pour On'  they advertised every chance all of a sudden saying that Falconers use Invertim .... Well that be as it may, but not the 'Pour on'.

[just ask me]

 

Very true. The RSPB now will state it isn't so of course and mislead yet again the vast majority .... like the 'Pour On'  they advertised every chance all of a sudden saying that Falconers use Invertim .... Well that be as it may, but not the 'Pour on'.

 

roland falcon men do use the pour on ive seen them doing it  

 

 

[just ask me]

falcon men use the pour on on a dead animal then feed it to there hawk falcon that how they worm there birds of prey

[Guest IB]

Tom Pennycott provided me with a hard copy of an earlier work of his, published in Veterinary Record June 17 2006, which covered 1995 – 2003, in response to my enquiry on salmonella in racing pigeons:-

 

To Tom 22/10/09

 

I wonder if you can help. I am interested in the prevalence of salmonella outbreaks in Racing Pigeons in the UK. My interest lies purely in finding out the true position in an attempt to bottom what I see as pure speculation by some pigeon fanciers who maintain that it is rife and that all pigeons carry it - and advocate blind treatments - without facts & figures to back their claims.

 

I know that this is a notifiable disease in animals & birds produced for human consumption, and that laboratories must report positive cultures from these sources. Does the same reporting requirement apply to non-food animals, for example racing pigeons, cats, dogs, hobby poultry etc?

 

I also note you were involved in this published research:-

 

Mather, H., Bennett, G., Pennycott, T., Philbey, A., Taylor, D. & Coia, J. E. Isolation of avian strains of Salmonella Typhimurium from wild birds, cats and humans in the United Kingdom. - Zoonoses - From science to policy, Glasgow, 5th - 7th Nov 2007.

 

Would you have an electronic copy available, or a summary? I am interested

in the wild connection, and the prevalence there, and of course the

connections..

 

From Tom Pennycott  02/11/2009

 

We don't test as many pigeon samples as we used to, but between 1992 and 1993 we tested 308 samples from racing pigeons, of which 12 (4%) were positive for salmonella.

I have put a copy of a paper on salmonella in wild birds (including feral pigeons) in the post to you.

 

Regards

Tom

 

Amongst data in Tom’s 2006 paper covering 1995 to 2003 :

 

feral pigeons ...... tested 53, infected 5, sites 5.

 

“Salmonella Typhimurium DT2 or DT99 was isolated from 4 feral pigeons and Salmonella Liverpool was recovered from a 5th bird that had died of trauma. All 4 feral pigeons from which Salmonella Typhimurium had been isolated had lesions associated with salmonellosis such as purulent arthritis, peritonitis, pneumonia, and focal liver necrosis, but the recovery of  Salmonella Liverpool was an incidental finding in the bird that had died of traumaâ€.

 

Raptors:-

 

“3 raptors were positive for Salmonella Typhimurium: DT41 was isolated from a tawny owl that had died from pasteurellosis, DT56 (variant) was recovered from a tawny owl with avian tuberculosis and a strain of Salmonella Typhimurium DT104 resistant to ampcillin, chloramphenicol, streptomycin, sulphonamides and tetracyclines was isolated through culture from an emaciated sparrowhawkâ€.

 

The sparrowhawk case was recorded as an incidental finding, as the bird had not died from the disease. The sparrowhawk data was: tested 5, infected 1, sites 1.

 

Garden birds:-

 

Greenfinch ... ........ tested 190, infected 136, sites 35.  

House Sparrow ...... tested 50, infected 33,  sites 13.

Chaffinch .............. tested 53, infected 15, sites 9.

 

………………all DT40 and DT 56.

 

All other species infections were single figures.

 

 

There was another Table which gave species tested but found free from salmonella:-

 

Starling, mute swan, blackbird, crow, woodpigeon, collared dove, jackdaw, song thrush, blue tit, buzzard, dunnock, guillemot, house martin, robin, magpie, wren. Herring gull, lesser black-backed gull etc.