fight back rspb

[pjc]

umping back to the RPRA trailer, it, I believe is available for use by any of the membership. It is towed arround to many of the shows and gamefairs etc but as has been said probably needs better information to be presented to the public.

My parents were manning it at this years Game fair at Blenheim Palace on the Sunday, but realy its just publicity, giving out balloons and telling public what to do with the pigeon in there garden!

Sure if anybody want to use it they will be able to. Some regions also have portable lofts for display as well!

 

 

Phil

[BLACK W F]

there has been some great posts and ideas put on the site  and actions that are in the process of getting under way

we are in a sport that is also in decline for one reason or another

if we where to look at the average age of fanciers  i bet  50plus is av

all clubs feds have some good people who could go round schools and talk to the kids not only on the hawk problems but also high light  the enjoyment of keeping -racing  pigeons  

but to get all united together under one banner needs  all the petty grudges to be beried    and all our energys put into getting a result

i am just a working guy but money can be raised no problem  lets see if we can get this going  before its too late  every one has a part to play  our time is our own we can all give up a few hours  to save our sport    never was a truer word  spoken  united we stand divided we will fall    and if we do fail there will be no one to blame but our selves

[pjc]

Can I sugest another point of attack!

Another problem is when young people buy there first house, many have covenents on them preventing people keeping pigeons etc, is it possible to find a way of preventing the covenents being placed on new builds?

 

Phil

[DOVEScot]

That's poor 750 X 5 should equal £3750 mind I've viewed a lot and only given a pack o@ fags ( £5).

 

 

Views does not equal members, it counts up every time any member looks at it  :-/

[Roland]

As well as a trailer I would go down the road of a full page or half page advertisement in a National paper regarding the facts of these Raptors,join forces with songbird people,tippler men,roller men, gamekeepers,landowners,but first of all educate them in the facts,regarding  the overpopulation of these Raptors and the detrimental effect they have on our pigeons,and song birds,educate the public as to where their donations regarding songbirds are going,to the already overpopulation of the predators thats killing them,with a great big picture of a sparrowhawk,stripping a thrush,should go well with the cornflakes,let the public know they are being duped by the R.S.P.B.

Like I sais Merlin, you are 100% right.

Also, it is, and will be just like Vic posted till we ALL that have a concern, band together and do like you have advocated. Mind they have a PR Firm aboard like any and every concern does / will have when dealing with the public... Well that is everyone outside of the 'Pigeon Fanciers'.

Time every fancier sent the RPRA 50p each and told them to employ one too! But that, like the end of the BOP, will never happen.

 

 

[Merlin]

There is no reason why this effort cant be formidable,at this point we need approx three in number to spearhead it for us, one being a Treasurer,and the others both "grafters" with good P.R. skills,what does the Forum think. J.M.O.

[Guest chrisss]

There is no reason why this effort cant be formidable,at this point we need approx three in number to spearhead it for us, one being a Treasurer,and the others both "grafters" with good P.R. skills,what does the Forum think. J.M.O.

 

exciting times these it could work

[DOVEScot]

There is no reason why this effort cant be formidable,at this point we need approx three in number to spearhead it for us, one being a Treasurer,and the others both "grafters" with good P.R. skills,what does the Forum think. J.M.O.

 

All the governing bodies should be the ones to take all these suggestions on board they are the ones we should target and by getting members to raise these points to get them on the agenda at meetings :-/

[BLACK W F]

you have got a good point but if we wait for them to act  it will take for ever now is the time lets get off our backsides raise the funds and start the ball rolling put into practice and get it right

[Merlin]

Our governing bodies as of yet have shown no interest with locking horns with the R.SP.B with the exception of the S.H.U. who have been met with mostly apathy from fanciers,and red tape,lies,and gobblydegook from Raptor bodies,this is a good idea, a three or four person committee,to spearhead it,and onwards from there.

[DOVEScot]

Our governing bodies as of yet have shown no interest with locking horns with the R.SP.B with the exception of the S.H.U. who have been met with mostly apathy from fanciers,and red tape,lies,and gobblydegook from Raptor bodies,this is a good idea, a three or four person committee,to spearhead it,and onwards from there.

 

Yes but the governing bodies have to take on board points raised by the membership, if they won't get off their butts and get behind it then it is a go it alone publicity campaign that should be funded.

I think the best idea was to fund advertising of all the facts in major tabloids, that is what Joe public read and it is Joe public that support the RSPB

 

A campaign fund should be started seperately and not just labelled to any one site as you will need need a lot more than just 5% of the 200 regular members chucking a fiver in on here to get it recognised and taken seriously

Other sites will be more likely to take it on board if it is a neutral body :-/

[ChrisMaidment08]

as stated rose for tresureer    my spelling is not good but my peaple skills are and i will talk to anyone but health dictates i would not be of use for to long

[Merlin]

None thats documented Rose,very good article on Tooth & Claw regarding same,shows the mindset of these Raptor people,and their "concerns" for fanciers,well worth viewing for all pigeon fanciers,if nothing else,it gives a thorough insight into what we are faced by concerning Raptors.

[stan p]

i am not to goo d on a computer but it seams to me we shud use the money we raise

to send leaflets to m. of p. saying look how rspb are saving hawks at cost tq all bird

life and that is the reason birds declianing rspb are telling lies on decline of birds make

them aware of it and eigle owl neads to be intruducet to restore balance as they are

true bird of u.k.  to me it seem they are the people to go after they make the laws

      stan p

[Roland]

Regardless, No one  - that has the time, will ever be found to do a decent PR job.

It is simply a fact, and the real beauty of a PR firm they would look at it from a completely different view point. One that will get Joe Public's attention ... Not like a pigeon fancier would, who would be A. Be seen as Bias, B. be Bias, and C. not have the profeesionalism require. Know how it works and ticks in an everlasting change mode situation. We would have to be able to promote, and not be asview the 'Clothed Cap guysm playing around with them 'Flying Rats.' Able also to put across the differential of ferals and the Fancy's birds.

Ultalise the many 'Media' catching elements with have within our grasp. Further to be a good trained 'Voice Piece' for our cause.

That is just for starters.

better by far, I say, is lobby for a P.R. Firms, then will also get on board professional 'Lobbyists' that have access to Corridor Politics, and open doors to the right people. Etc. etc. etc.

[just ask me]

lads all great ideas but if we started this in the morning id bet it would take years before we got much notice amount of work involed in driving the trailler around the place if everyone done there own little bit by turning off there computer for a hour and actally doing something there would be no need for any of this belive me

[Merlin]

Roland while I wouldnt disagree with your views as regards a professional team of P.R. people, but to fund such a concept at this stage would

be prohibitive,there is definitely enough grey matter on this site to prevent a valid and useful topic,without sterotyping ourselves, study and examine R.S.P.B findings and see and realize how contrdictory these are,Raptors an endangered species,yet every historical nesting site is occupied,hence the reason at considerable cost for erection of breeding platforms,where Raptors have never bred before,many other species of songbirds are on the endangered almost extinct list,yet Raptors have never been more plentiful,this is the direction we should be coming from,with the many others being affected by the Raptor bodies being masqueraded as R.S.P.B, a half page ad in the Nationals  depicting a Sparrow Hawk slivering the flesh from a still live Thrush/lackbird/Pigeon,with a caption Guess which one The R.SP.B spend your monies to Protect,get in on these sites Roland read the mantra thats been propagated and discussed,there are very many,even among their own unhappy with the path the R.S.P.B have gone down. Now surely its not beyond us to fund the cost of an ad say on a monthly basis.

[ChrisMaidment08]

having spoken to friend who is a proffesinol photogrefer they will take any photos required

[pjc]

Chris I can also do any photo's you want.

 

There must be somebody within the sport who either works for a PR company or has a relative/wife/girlfriend etc who works for one!

Surely that would be a good starting point because we may then have a headstart by using somebody who knows what a pigeon is?

 

Phil

[ChrisMaidment08]

thanksfor offer phil mon i will approach pres about backing??????

[Guest spin cycle]

i havn't read whole thread...but i'll pledge some cash. how about a website showing 'video nasties' of what hawks do and then use similar search words to the rspb so that people searching for rspb come across the other side of raptors.

[pjc]

Another good idea Spin Cycle, with web sites they need to be fairly large and regularly updated to keep them near the top of search engine lists.

Richard will prob tell you more.

[ChrisMaidment08]

if i knew how to set up website i would

[pjc]

Chris have a look at www.1and1.co.uk

There you can search for a suitable domain name to start with and you can build a site on there if you don't have something like frontpage etc.

[Guest spin cycle]

if i knew how to set up website i would

 

so do i....perhaps a winter project(dizzy)(ok)