european eagle owl

[ChrisMaidment08]

im sat hear reading thread and am amazed at the responc on this site to hawks v pigeons  before anyone flyes to defence its great i have as some will know spent time on other sites trying to get an idea on true feeling on this subject only to be be littled abused and banned as i ask and want answers its so refreshing to see a reasoned peaceful discussion some should take note i think youer all gents and i hope it carrys on its an emotive subject to all us fanciers

[DOVEScot]

Before I get mauled, let me explain,

before I was born, pigeons were written into my life, my family handed down pigeons until it was my turn. We had a loft on our field with many pigeons in, my favourite was Patrick, a loft pecked pigeon that turned blind, but I trained him to fly to my voice, he lived a ripe old age. Others of my favourite pigeons were shot, nailed by sparrowhawks etc. In fact i was pleased when our dog caught a sparrowhawk, so pleased in fact we had it stuffed.

 

However, I met someone years ago into BOP's, over many differences of opinion, discussions and without bullying etc, I grew to realise that Bops have their place. Its like people blame bops for the decline of songbirds etc, not the concrete jungles that rise up, not the pesticides, just bops. I'm sorry, it sounds like I am preaching, I am not, I still have pigeons, I still hate seeing dead pigeons etc, I was drawn to this discussion through Google because of the EEO's and quite wrongly, I expressed my opinion, I am sorry, I cannot remove my post. If it causes offence, please do so as non was meant.

 

Kerry you will find that there are members on here the same as a lot of sites that are open to debate and there are some with closed minds that just will not let any other opinion in.

Personally I think there are some in the RSPB that are so closed in their mindset to introducing and protecting some raptors that they will take no heed of others point of view, just the same as in the pigeon world, as soon as some members lose a bird they blame the hawks, when although they maybe right there are other factors, I have flown Harris hawks, red tail kites and various owls which all have a part to play in nature

But there are plain and simple truths that all sides must take on board

1. The RSPB do not protect all birds they select certain birds to fund breeding and release programmes, any other bird outside their interests are ignored or even destroyed to protect their investments yet the same avenues are not open to anyone else

2, The more raptors we have the more food they will need and as their staple diet is other birds  then it goes without saying :-/

3, There are numerous documented and photographic evidence that these raptors take racing pigeons both good and bad not only from returning from a race but from the tops of our lofts or while out flying for the day yet we are not allowed to protect our interests

3, Pigeon racing is on the decline for various reasons including social and economic and also the raptor problem so these birds of prey will have even less to feed on so the other bird populations will suffer

4, Not only pigeons are taken but there is also evidence that aviary birds are attacked as well including finches, budgies and canaries having their heads ripped off by sparrow hawks through the wire caging

5, Raptors are only behaving naturally they are killing and feeding to survive it is man that create the imbalance in the world by over protecting certain species thus creating the imbalance, if the urban jungle and changes in our environment are changing then why breed and protect more raptors that the country cannot sustain :-/

 

[maverick]

Where i stay at the end of my street there is flats that are full of street pigeons   100- 150 birds , hawks dont seem to go for them when my birds are out or others in my area it seems to me the tight knit of our racing birds in a batch is an  easier target than the ferals going in all directions.

[ch pied]

Where i stay at the end of my street there is flats that are full of street pigeons   100- 150 birds , hawks dont seem to go for them when my birds are out or others in my area it seems to me the tight knit of our racing birds in a batch is an  easier target than the ferals going in all directions.

yes , percy won't take a chance on a streeter their roof hoping , our bird's get up a bit , and percy think's she's at tesco's

 

[frank-123]

http://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/white-tailedeagle

whats the difference between this bird and an eagle owl?

one is supported by the rspb and the other is hated by the rspb

for one reason the eagle owl kills peregrine's

 

 

[DOVEScot]

Found this, it may have been posted before

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/4436122.stm

[DOVEScot]

Found this, it may have been posted before

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/4436122.stm

 

Looks like there are more eagle owls in the UK than I thought there was

 

http://www.norfolkfalconry.co.uk/owlforum/owl-species-facts-european-eagle-owl-bubo-bubo-t21.html

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Eagle_Owl#Recent_UK_breeding

 

http://www.birdguides.com/species/species.asp?sp=073064#

 

http://www.birdguides.com/webzine/article.asp?a=606

 

http://forums.chroniclelive.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=10464&start=30

[Guest scoobybob]

I was chatting to the NTU secretary yesterday who lives in Bristol. 10 yrs ago there were 100's of tippler flyers in Bristol and at anytime you could look in the air to see a kit flying..He now has 3 members in Bristol left on the books one of them being himself and he gave up tippler flying some time back. He told me you cannot fly competition anymore in Bristol as at least one of the kit will be hit by Percy so disqualifying you.

[DOVEScot]

There seems like there is a lot of discussion on other sites and some well in the EEO's favour :)

 

http://darrennaish.blogspot.com/2006/06/british-eagle-owls-update.html

[Merlin]

Most factual people realize the protection of Raptors,is uncalled for in many instances,challenge is to harness this mode of thought,and direct it in proper direction.

[Roland]

 

Looks like there are more eagle owls in the UK than I thought there was

 

http://www.norfolkfalconry.co.uk/owlforum/owl-species-facts-european-eagle-owl-bubo-bubo-t21.html

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Eagle_Owl#Recent_UK_breeding

 

http://www.birdguides.com/species/species.asp?sp=073064#

 

Not enough though ... time we had a fund set up to purchase a few. Every club, should buy a pair of youngsters and look after them proper... just for a about 10 years... Who knows, the RSPB might then even have to put them on the leaflets to attraction as a money making topic.

 

http://www.birdguides.com/webzine/article.asp?a=606

 

http://forums.chroniclelive.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=10464&start=30

 

 

[DOVEScot]

Most factual people realize the protection of Raptors,is uncalled for in many instances,challenge is to harness this mode of thought,and direct it in proper direction.

 

Aye as soonas Phil gets oot his wee learner car, stops running round the country getting birds and looking at pups and gets the site sorted ;D ;D ;D

[ChrisMaidment08]

you just cant get the staff these days :-/ :-/ :-/