just ask me Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 One must remember -WITHOUT doubt - that the RSPB will tinker at us. State this and that, and use every subtle trick in the book to thawt any movement on our part. Like when we threathen - well some of us - to hold all the birds in and not race, Yes it would have caused a lot of distress to the BOP's meal times and youngsters.... Slagged and slighted of as a 'No hoper' by the RSPB - Who were worried for their birds meals only! It would have had catostrophic effects on the youngsters in the nests. Simple put the RSPB only want us to provide they BOP with meals FULL STOP! Simple IGNORE them!!! ... Remember when the POUR Invertimin was discover to do hawks no good! The adverts stating that Rapture / BOP handlers USED it themselve etc. Was true BUT NOT the Pour on! So that died a death and the RSPB laughed again at us! We will have several here trying to state this that and the other to off put and decry it / us. Unfortunately many faint heart will rather go along with them as an excuse to stay dormant! the Saddle works, is legal. Trapping and removing of certain species is legal! etc. etc. So as the Goverment, and our governing body daren't do oat, it must be upto the genine fancier to act.... within the law granted.... AND NOT according to what the RSPB would have you believe. Jimmy White has TWICE now posted the legalities and each time - and more no one acted... We must act, and gain momentum and start protecting our birds in any legal way possible. And if certain bodies don't appreciate it.... then tough, for one thing they certain don't care for us!! no sort of ivermectin has any adverse affects on hawks i will say it again roland i have seen bops handlers using ivermectin pour on on dead chicks and giving them to all kinds of hawks i have asked u before to provide any evidence on how this works and to date u have come up with noting buy useing ivermectin pour on u are actually worming the birds of prey im sure if there was any thruth too this claim there would be lots of info on the net on how and why it works but too date i have seen noting all i have seen is bops handlers using this product for the benefit of these hawks falcons and so on so really buy telling people to use this product u are doing yourself no favour or the pigeon fancy in generall no favours what so ever there are other products that bops don't like the taste of if u get my meaning but belive me ivermectin only benefits bop
les Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 if you are all frightend of breaking stupid laws ,then do this [breed young birds dont treat them for canker ,let them get infested with it then release them into the wild ] canker is one of the most deadliest things that kill BOP ,so if they feed on them they will be eating them selves to death .
Roland Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Posted May 1, 2009 if you are all frightend of breaking stupid laws ,then do this [breed young birds dont treat them for canker ,let them get infested with it then release them into the wild ] canker is one of the most deadliest things that kill BOP ,so if they feed on them they will be eating them selves to death . Agree 100% This is what I am saying. Time to act and stop whinging. Time for the incessant asking 'What to do' and do something! Canker is something they can combat. Well Known. Be nice if everyone was able to house 6 pairs of non stop breeding pairs, bought from say thelikes of Melton Mowbray Market!. Leave to well infected, ad never been out... Yes just another string to the bow eh!
walterbmasson Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 I DONT UNDERSTAND FANCIERS SAYING YOU CANT DO THIS OR THAT HOW THESE IDIOTS GO ABOUT KILLING OUR BIRDS I CAN ASSURE YOU IF A RSPB UNIFORM CAME INTO MY PROPERTY WITH COMPLAINT ABOUT ME PROTECTING MY BIRDS FROM HAWKS WHATEVER KIND ID WRING HIS BL---- NECK SO HE WOULDNT BOTHER NO ONE ELSE ITS ABOUT TIME THESE PLONKERS WAS STOPPED IF I HAVE TO START IT OFF I WILL WHAT IF YOU WENT INTO THERE PROPERTY AND KILLED ONE OF THERE PETS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN I CERTAINLY WONT TURN A CONFRONTATION DOWN THIS COUNTRY IS IN A VERY BAD STATE AND IT NOT WITH ANY GENIUSES AT THE HELM
Roland Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Posted May 1, 2009 No GENIUSES at the helm EVER! But not ever never! Only ever helped themselves and their own cronies and made us the slick Marshell law we live under unnoticed, and brain washed into think that it is a right for the Haves to lord, and the have nots to put up and shut up. Ingrained I'm afraid over hundreds of years. At all at the helm have followed that regime and adthered to it! If it was for the 'Ole Boys' act for example, and 'Money' for the vested useless a anything else, does one honestly believe the RSPB would have such a strong footing. Just no bodies with Names, that have been place to earn a good idle living, because they'd be useless at earning their own living, so are propped up and pampered too.
Roland Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Posted May 1, 2009 no sort of ivermectin has any adverse affects on hawks i will say it again roland i have seen bops handlers using ivermectin pour on on dead chicks and giving them to all kinds of hawks i have asked u before to provide any evidence on how this works and to date u have come up with noting buy useing ivermectin pour on u are actually worming the birds of prey im sure if there was any thruth too this claim there would be lots of info on the net on how and why it works but too date i have seen noting all i have seen is bops handlers using this product for the benefit of these hawks falcons and so on so really buy telling people to use this product u are doing yourself no favour or the pigeon fancy in generall no favours what so ever there are other products that bops don't like the taste of if u get my meaning but belive me ivermectin only benefits bop OK, niether have you shown any proof it doesn't. Only repeating some that have - seemingly in this scenario - to have, and be having sucess. However, if it just does what it is suppose to regards Worms etc. etc. then that is a bonus and no harrm done eh!
just ask me Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 no sort of ivermectin has any adverse affects on hawks i will say it again roland i have seen bops handlers using ivermectin pour on on dead chicks and giving them to all kinds of hawks i have asked u before to provide any evidence on how this works and to date u have come up with noting buy useing ivermectin pour on u are actually worming the birds of prey im sure if there was any thruth too this claim there would be lots of info on the net on how and why it works but too date i have seen noting all i have seen is bops handlers using this product for the benefit of these hawks falcons and so on so really buy telling people to use this product u are doing yourself no favour or the pigeon fancy in generall no favours what so ever there are other products that bops don't like the taste of if u get my meaning but belive me ivermectin only benefits bop OK, niether have you shown any proof it doesn't. Only repeating some that have - seemingly in this scenario - to have, and be having sucess. However, if it just does what it is suppose to regards Worms etc. etc. then that is a bonus and no harrm done eh! well by using pour on ivermectin u are actually worming the hawks so it is actually of benifit to the hawks well on me showing proof that it doesn't well surely seeing it with my own eyes surely that proof enough :-/
Roland Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Posted May 2, 2009 Well I can't see in hind sight and reality that one can see if it is NOT having an effect! Only if numbers are falling that it at least MIGHT be having an effect. So what I will do - as Ivermectin in any shape or form in your scenario would have a benefifial affect then for BOP - stop spout that it it does, but not that it doesn' do what it says, I.e. clears worms etc. But soon, very soon, the sooner the better, we / I / us must start a thread where we actually get on with a 'Fund, a fighting campaigne that WILL do as all some good regards our pigeons. We must act quickly and unpreturb knowing ful well that the RSPB will be watching and cutting our strings, whilst pulling a few of their own!
walterbmasson Posted May 2, 2009 Report Posted May 2, 2009 ROLAND THESE HAWKS HAS DONE ENOUGH DAMAGE TO OUR SPORT OVER THE YEARS JUST TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE REVENUE WEVE LOST TO NATIONAL RACING WITH THE LOSS OF THOUSANDS OF FANCIERS THAT HAS LEFT OVER LOOSING THERE BIRDS TO THESE KILLERS THERES ONE THING FOR CERTAIN WE WANT BE ABLE TO STOP THEM DOING NOTHING WHY DONT WE OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT UNDER THE FIGHT BACK FUND IF THESE EAGLE OWLS WILL HELP TO GET THEM OUT INTO THE WILD TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE GUNS TO GET THEM OUT OF THE SKYS ALL MONIES CAN ONLY BE USED FOR BUYING OWLS SURLY EVERY MEMBER IN ALL FEDS WOULD BE WILLING TO DONATE SAY A £5 EASY TO LIB WHERE YOU WANT THEM UNDER A NICE DARK SKY) SOME FANCIERS SAY KEEP YOUR BIRDS IN ALL WINTER WELL THERES A FRED FRASER STAYS AT NEW DEER HIS NEXT FARM TO HIM WATCHED 5 PERIGANS ALL WINTER AS THE STARLINGS WAS LANDING AT DUSK THEY WERE THERE EVERY NIGHT HAVING THE TIME OF THERE LIVES SO THEY WILL FIND DINNERS IN OTHER WAYS ROLAND PUTTING POSTS ON HERE WITH OUT GETTING THE BACKING OF ALL FANCIERS IS NOT GOING TO DO ANY GOOD START THE FIGHT NOW
weecunny Posted May 2, 2009 Report Posted May 2, 2009 http://www.rspb.org.uk/ourwork/policy/species/birdsofprey/pigeons.asp?view=print
walterbmasson Posted May 3, 2009 Report Posted May 3, 2009 wecunny they would have better chance trying to fly a BIKE THAN CONVINCE FANCIERS OF THAT CRAP > > >
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