SOS AND RPRA

[Roland]

After, as stated, contacting the Save Our SongBird, I recieve a nice letter from them.

Part of here.

 

You are reflecting our own views about the RSPB and our charity receives masses of critical emails deploring the policies of RSPB.

 

SongBird Survival has a long and honourable contact with the Racing Pigeon Associations - but we tend to argue our case based on a whole range of predators - not just raptors.

 

The debate is hotting up in the media. We were on BBC Breakfast Television recently arguing with Mr Chris Packham. We are sponsoring serious research at the University of Reading aimed at demonstrating the flawed policies of the RSPB and others.

 

We are sending you  separately and please do keep in touch.

 

....................................

 

Which I will, of course I will, stay in touch! I intend to give talks and such to Schools and anyone else that may be of an interest.

the literature, I feel, will no doubt be of interest and value.

 

Many more can do the same of course.

Interesting how they differ in views. I feel perhaps, that the RPRA and such like other concerns that have problem with all BOP, Magpies etc. etc. should help each other and cater for everything likewise, and NOT just the very direct parts that affect them! :-/ :o

Matches bound become stronger and harder to break.

Had an ex pigeon fancier that is a EMP. Whom after I had contacting many NO ONE replied to him - and others - in regards of him / them towards helping our plight! :-/

Now that is a crying shame!!!

Like my last heading blaming ourselves, very little has happened. Some of us are in contact and trying ... others is just idling time away twiddling their’ thumbs.

Tell you what! Every time and any time nearly someone spouts about Hawks / Raptures / BOP etc. bleating and whinges I will be in their' face asking just what measures they are taking, will they be prepared to take, and just who do they THINK has the magic wand.

I personally am very fortunate in that I have no hawk problem, but feel for all those that have!

 

[les]

After, as stated, contacting the Save Our SongBird, I recieve a nice letter from them.

Part of here.

 

You are reflecting our own views about the RSPB and our charity receives masses of critical emails deploring the policies of RSPB.

 

SongBird Survival has a long and honourable contact with the Racing Pigeon Associations - but we tend to argue our case based on a whole range of predators - not just raptors.

 

The debate is hotting up in the media. We were on BBC Breakfast Television recently arguing with Mr Chris Packham. We are sponsoring serious research at the University of Reading aimed at demonstrating the flawed policies of the RSPB and others.

 

We are sending you  separately and please do keep in touch.

 

....................................

 

Which I will, of course I will, stay in touch! I intend to give talks and such to Schools and anyone else that may be of an interest.

the literature, I feel, will no doubt be of interest and value.

 

Many more can do the same of course.

Interesting how they differ in views. I feel perhaps, that the RPRA and such like other concerns that have problem with all BOP, Magpies etc. etc. should help each other and cater for everything likewise, and NOT just the very direct parts that affect them! :-/ :o

Matches bound become stronger and harder to break.

Had an ex pigeon fancier that is a EMP. Whom after I had contacting many NO ONE replied to him - and others - in regards of him / them towards helping our plight! :-/

Now that is a crying shame!!!

Like my last heading blaming ourselves, very little has happened. Some of us are in contact and trying ... others is just idling time away twiddling their’ thumbs.

Tell you what! Every time and any time nearly someone spouts about Hawks / Raptures / BOP etc. bleating and whinges I will be in their' face asking just what measures they are taking, will they be prepared to take, and just who do they THINK has the magic wand.

I personally am very fortunate in that I have no hawk problem, but feel for all those that have!

good on you roland, ,im not into sending letters and such ,i take another action as you know ,but like you say ,if every one done [just a little bit ] it would all add up ,and just might do a bit of good somewhere down the line ATB les.

 

 

[just ask me]

to be honest there only a few ways of fighting this problem and i dont think going down the route of politics or media or joining forces woth the songbird crowd will help i was out this morning at 6 sorting the problem its the only way too solve it just get out and do it simple as we have all read how and know how its done time for excuses is over

 

ive read other pll ideas to me they wont work as in media starting up a trust fund to go public and the eagle owl thing if u do your research on eagle owls yes they will kill bops but the numbers they kill is very low and some dont even kill any at all actually most dont kill bop

 

so forget sitting in the chair all day watching the soccer or even  on here complaining about it just get out and fix it

[just ask me]

good on you roland, ,im not into sending letters and such ,i take another action as you know ,but like you say ,if every one done [just a little bit ] it would all add up ,and just might do a bit of good somewhere down the line ATB les.

 

 

fair play les good on ya  

[Roland]

And 'just ask me' you are 110% correct. Any one that says differently needs an IQ test pronto. But, and relunctanty I fear too many can't, or won't etc. So I would say that have 2 or more strings to any bow has to have some advantagous points.

Twiddly thumbs and whinging only gets them not neccessarily what they deserve, but is so true.

In the mean time 30, 000 pigeon fanciers, 25000 sos, 40000 others interested concerns sitting down all the way from Trafalgar Square to 10 Downing street would make a few eyes open lol.... but it is just me, a dog and a couple of mates unfortunately.

[Guest IB]

It's the Law that's unfair and it needs changed so that it is both fair and meets everyone's needs, not just the chosen few. I know links were forged up here years ago with SOS, so it's not just pigeon fanciers that are up in arms about it. I see RPRA are now involved in the type of campaign SHU ran years ago, collecting proof.  

[pigeonpete]

good article in shooting time this week, if anyone can get to see a copy, has a short insight here.............

 

http://www.shootingtimes.co.uk/

 

 

im totally in agreement with you roland, but would nit know where to start??

[just ask me]

It's the Law that's unfair and it needs changed so that it is both fair and meets everyone's needs, not just the chosen few. I know links were forged up here years ago with SOS, so it's not just pigeon fanciers that are up in arms about it. I see RPRA are now involved in the type of campaign SHU ran years ago, collecting proof.  

 

the law doing 5 mile an hour over the limit against  the law parking on double yellow lines against the law most of do this its funny when talking about taking action pll say its against  the law is this just an easy way out  :-/

 

 

[Roland]

Again 'Just ask me' very very true. Besides there are, as anyone really interested knows, that one can take action. But, they'd rather not I guess!

[les]

It's the Law that's unfair and it needs changed so that it is both fair and meets everyone's needs, not just the chosen few. I know links were forged up here years ago with SOS, so it's not just pigeon fanciers that are up in arms about it. I see RPRA are now involved in the type of campaign SHU ran years ago, collecting proof.  

[LAWS  ARE JUST  SUGGESTIONS ]in my eyes.

 

 

[Guest IB]

[LAWS  ARE JUST  SUGGESTIONS ]in my eyes.

 

Well then you'll have no bother with the suggestion that this one needs changed.

[Roland]

Yes I.B. Very true etc. etc. Yawn Yawn .... and in the mean time we stand idlly by and watch them feast on our birds at great costs, both money wise, emotionally and time effert.

Give us a break. Why don't you do something better and worthwhile with your time than all these needless, dispondant put downs! :-/ :-/ :o

Streuth next your be say that there is no legal way.... no don't bother to answer that, for we know different.

Further we've all had enough of the crap from you and yje likes of RSPB and BOP, Raptures, hawk lovers.

Far far better to help.... if you can't see clear to that, then may I humbly suggest you shut the 'Codswallop' up!

[Guest Owen]

Laws are not always fair or just. Judges are not always sensible and do not always understand how the rest of us lives our lives. Everyone knows that Politicians are not always trustworthy or fair. Some are not even moral.

If we are going to band together to get fair play for the song birds and our pigeons, we have to be prepared to make the law bend to our lifes requirements. If we all take Roland seriously and are prepared to back him up we may get somewhere. If we carry on coplaining and leaving to everyone else we will be wasting our time.

I have already run some events to tell people what pigeons and pigeon racing is about and I have some more organised for schools and youth groups. Once you get going it is a really enjoyable activity.

It might be a good start if we all join up with the SOS if only to give them a few bob to help the cause.

[Roland]

Tend to agree with that Owen. We should ALL be concerned for ALL bird life whether we are personally involved or not I feel.

Further, just look at the hedgerows desolated and devastated of the small birds. The finches, our back garden songsters, where their’ days are realistically very well numbered! And let us not make any mistake about that! And that’s for sure!

No two ways about that. The Magpie just ravishes the nests none stop for starters. Egg and young alike are taken. Was a time when you only saw a magpie hanging on a fence or in a cage talking.... Yes and just the odd one here and there.

Gosh the 'Dawn Chorus' is disappearing fast. Was a time when one just saw a wide variety of colourful chirping and singing birds, without EVEN trying?

So yes we as bird lovers should, like Owen so rightfully says JOIN the Songbird society, another voice, another angle. Yes always pays to have more than one string to our Bow!

[Roland]

So the reality is :-/ Help introduce eagle Owls. Set up a think tank.Increase Public awareness. Take personal legal action now to protect your birds! Join up with others like the SOS AND any other concerned peoples.. Badger the RPRA Etc. Badger and write to all the local MP's. And the EMPS. Have litriture to spout at schools and fetes etc.

Sort out a PR Firm to use their think TANK, their' professional out look at hows best to go about it.... Use the corridors to the GOVERMENT, their channels to the media, and above all let them be our mouth piece in all and sundry in dealing with whoever and what ever on a Need to Know basis.

Simple really! Remember a trip of a thousand miles takes just one step to start it.

[blaz]

last year i had a magpie going in to loft and taking yb,s out the nest as i have open bowls. the same one was trying his luck this year as my son seen him trying to get in . needless to say he wont be going robing any more nest again . thanks to my son and his jackal