Should it be P.O.B.

[Roland]

Should our fight against against B.O.P. be named P.O.B.

Is P.O.B. appropiate?

Is there anyone that perfers another name?

And should it stand for Protecting Our Birds, or Protection Of Birds?

[pigeonpete]

Think it sounds better PROTECTING OUR BIRDS! will have a bigger media impact in my opinion roland. Sounds a better headline?

[Guest numpty01]

protecting our birds could result in that name being used to push the statement already put forward by rspb that fanciers inwales ireland scotland are responsable for the decline   save our birds is a plea for help but thats my view

[superstar]

Have to agree with Chris on this, has to sound more like a call for help than a call to arms so to speak! Something along the lines of Protection for our birds sounds a bit more appealing JMO

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

My own opinion is that there are many issues to deal within our sport and i would like to see a name that is encouraging to attracting new members.

 

1 has to be birds of prey.

2 Is the lack of promotion that is done in general to attract new members and i feel that if you use this angle as well you will have more fanciers joining in order to protect our sport from further decline.

 

Have always said that 80% of Adults in this country know very little of our sport and i feel that letting these people know through good publicity and a professional PRO set up, it could well be possible that instead of decline in membership it might be possible that their could be a increase.

 

Name for me P-POP = Protection - Promotion Of Pigeons or Promotion - Protection of Pigeons

Perhaps i could well be looking at too many problems at the one time and we should be concentrating on the BOP, but for me for the sport to survive their can be more half measures at all aspects that is declining our sport of racing pigeons.

[b.massey]

Good post Gareth

[Roland]

Agree again regards new members. This is of course paramount.... yet I tend to feel that can be better addressed with a P.R. Firm aboard and giving leads. Their conseption of how the public view us, to get away from the clothe cap breeder of flying rats for example. JMO

[Merlin]

Would rather we went with a P

[Roland]

Me I'm happy whatever.  Maybe P.P.O.P. Is P for Pigeons good? :-/  :-/ Or would B. be better for Birds

Both have a rythmic fetching sound that will slide of the tongue, both easy to remember and refer to.  Birds being more universal and acceptable to a wider range of people. :-/

[Roland]

protecting our birds could result in that name being used to push the statement already put forward by rspb that fanciers inwales ireland scotland are responsable for the decline   save our birds is a plea for help but thats my view

 

S.O.B. eh!  :-/

[Merlin]

continuation

rather we went with protection of birds,with as many differing interests regarding birds coming on board as possibleas ,the overpopulation of these B.O.Ps are obviously having a detrimental affect on many species,as well as our pigeons,and a united front all would carry more weight,than just ourselves ,racer,roller,tippler.fancy breed fanciers,gamekeepers,bird lovers,protection groups,make up in total a good deal of the public,and with a good in your face P.R Firm ,the rest of the public may have sympathy with  us after seeing pigeons robins,finches,being torn asunder by these predators on a regular basis.

[Roland]

Great  realistic post merlin.

[jimmy white]

My own opinion is that there are many issues to deal within our sport and i would like to see a name that is encouraging to attracting new members.

 

1 has to be birds of prey.

2 Is the lack of promotion that is done in general to attract new members and i feel that if you use this angle as well you will have more fanciers joining in order to protect our sport from further decline.

 

Have always said that 80% of Adults in this country know very little of our sport and i feel that letting these people know through good publicity and a professional PRO set up, it could well be possible that instead of decline in membership it might be possible that their could be a increase.

 

Name for me P-POP = Protection - Promotion Of Pigeons or Promotion - Protection of Pigeons

Perhaps i could well be looking at too many problems at the one time and we should be concentrating on the BOP, but for me for the sport to survive their can be more half measures at all aspects that is declining our sport of racing pigeons.

 

in my opinion a very good post,   , that the decline in the sport/hobby  of pigeons is off course due to the b o p, this is at its highest level ever, and sure to get worse,,,,,,,if  

 

but would suggest that many racing  fanciers [maybe without realizing it] are , at   very least, destroying the sport by their own political in fighting , i have often said before , if each fancier could convince  even one friend, the pleasures that can be gotten by pigeon keeping or racing  , membership could be doubled,, maybe, just maybe,  it is  the  fanciers  that should  be working with more ,,on  attraction,  rather than repelling.

, each one fancier can do his or her own bit, by encouraging , and promoting pigeons  in a decent way , without seeking medals for it

and off course, the more fanciers , brings on a bigger army to tackle the probs of the b o p, [which can be tackled]

[Guest youngzimmy]

WEE WAINS WATCHIN THE TELE AT NIGHT SEEIN GROWIN UPS ARGIE AND FIGHT YEA CANNA BLAME IF THEY THINK IT IS RIGHT EFTER AW THERE JIST WEE WAINS  IT MUST HAVE BEEN A TELE PROGRAM ABOOT DOO MEN

[Cocker]

I know how you guys feel when you lose a bird to any kind of hawk or falcon or whatever. I've lost a couple myself over the years, but I feel I, ( and I'm speaking for myself here) just have to accept that when my birds are out flying they're part of a very harsh natural world where all kinds of carnivores kill to survive. I don't like the idea of losing a bird in this manner, but unfortunately it's just a fact of life. All the best,

 

Cocker.

[Roland]

I know how you guys feel when you lose a bird to any kind of hawk or falcon or whatever. I've lost a couple myself over the years, but I feel I, ( and I'm speaking for myself here) just have to accept that when my birds are out flying they're part of a very harsh natural world where all kinds of carnivores kill to survive. I don't like the idea of losing a bird in this manner, but unfortunately it's just a fact of life. All the best,

 

Cocker.

 

No it's not really Cocker, far from. Indeed I find it hard to believe that anyone posts such rubbish. A. No one has to accept. If a cat goes onto a garden and kills anything the owners are responcible, whether they like it or not.... and there isn't no such thing as a Lincense to roam,... it's an over used myth!

If dogs go sheep worrying the Farmer is entitled to shoot them.  Of course they have, so in reality any one and every one should have the right to protect their' belongings, home or birds etc. etc.

Now as for nature,and that garbage statement, IT is alien, 'Not Natural' for BOP to be in Towns. It is not natural, nor right, that a concern can just come along and set up a Perry / B.O.P. nest etc. OVERLOOKING a fanciers pigeon loft as is often the case. Yes, if not, there should be a channel of redress here.

It is not natural, yes many seem to thing it is, for kids feeding a pet, or birds to see it suddenly caught, torn to bits whilst being eaten alive. Indeed it is a sad day that so many unfeeling and sadistic people want it to be a part of the norm! No none of that is natural. None helps to give kids, and adults alike any respect for wild life. Life :-/ fast becoming just another comodity! :o

[Cocker]

Hi Roland, first can I say I'm at a loss to understand the tone of your post mate, it's only my opinion, nothing more, I'm no expert one way or the other. Maybe if you don't wish to read alternative points of view mate we'll leave it there. I enjoy this forum far too much to get involved in anything which creates bad feeling. I wish you well,

 

Cocker.

[Roland]

Thank you, bye and post on relevant topics. Ones where your comments could be appreciated. Simple that eh! We get toothaches... - so Thatcher said''' 'Well go private, because we are virtually clearing out the NHS, tough if you can’t afford it… they couldn’t in the 16th century either'!.

Now one can say Toothache happens, but you can now go and see a dentist ... Birds being eaten alive unlawfully also have no redress, thus to say, imply as 'Shame, it happens, get over it', is inappropriate and unappreciative, heartless and needless.... Especially under an heading of how best to combat our heavy losses, vast expenditure , plus trying to shield youngsters from seeing their' pets torn to shreds.... even when it is just to make rich men and their' organisation richer.

But then you knew this, you knew exactly what this topic is about, so just how you can, let alone why spout a pointless view to antagonise is taking the pee.. And well you know it!

[Guest numpty01]

roland i answer to youer pm i do not sulk nor do i care if you or anyone else.wish.s to start a bird protection program why should i . what i will say is the letter you sent me in pm is long winded yes roland i read it and read it and still took till the end to understand it but thats how you write things and exsplain things so my opinion of it if you put it in a coloum by the time someone is half way thru they will start looking at another coloum sorry mate unless thats not final draft :-/ :-/ :-/

[jimmy_bulger]

been sitting here reading the post's put up and nowt has changed , we as fanciers tend to fick things up with our own dirrerent oppinions of what this should stand for  etc, etc.

1st and formost this endeavour is to preserve our sport (LETS NOT LOOSE SIGHT OF THIS )

the aims of this is to bring to the attention of the public the full picture ie: the pigeon fancier fratenity of this country has for decades raised and donated vast ammounts of money to worthy causes and charitys.(we can't do this if the raptors decimate our membership )

i think there should be only 2 objectives in this 1,protect our sport. and 2,get our sport recognised as a sport.

other than that dont even bother because to have two many goals to aim for this early ie:( lets walk before we run )

would be detrimental to us all.

this is just my opinion and if we can't all sing from the same hymm sheet then we are ficked.

if anyone is offended by my opinion i could not give a fick take up skate boarding.

jimmy

[Guest Owen]

Roland,

you have my suport in your attempts to do something/anything.

Cocker,

you are a damn fool and it is time you decided where you stand on these issues. I see people like you opposing the efforts of the Trade Unions to maintain standards for out workers. I also see people ignoring the fact the people laid down their lives to protect our independence and giving away our heritage when it is not their's to give.

I hope I don't have to listen to the likes of you trying to water down the carnage these overprotected carnivors are enjoying at our expense.

I don't know if Roland will succeed, but he should be given all the suport possible. It is more like Roland we want at the top end of our sport. The ones we have now are weaklings as I see it.

[THE FIFER]

continuation

rather we went with protection of birds,with as many differing interests regarding birds coming on board as possibleas ,the overpopulation of these B.O.Ps are obviously having a detrimental affect on many species,as well as our pigeons,and a united front all would carry more weight,than just ourselves ,racer,roller,tippler.fancy breed fanciers,gamekeepers,bird lovers,protection groups,make up in total a good deal of the public,and with a good in your face P.R Firm ,the rest of the public may have sympathy with  us after seeing pigeons robins,finches,being torn asunder by these predators on a regular basis.

 

certainly makes it a larger field protection of birds rather than our birds(pigeons,

[Merlin]

Good post Owen,but lest Roland thinks,its all falling on his shoulders,not so,its about all fanciers who care about their birds,and have a realistic clear view of whats happening regarding the sheer overpopulation B.O.Ps to day,now whats it going to be like in say five years time,their population is doubling annually,imagine the scenario in the future,to me its unthinkable,and all species are being affected,just put a bird table out in your garden,you have just created a killing field,there are many R.P.R.A memebrs who will agree with this,its the BOP element within their ranks,that have created this situation,and us as fanciers,every one of us,that helps by breeding and flying their protein parcels,so again I reiterate,if you are not part of the soloution,you are part of the problem,yes Roland I am also with you all the way,because I care about mine, and other birds

[jimmy_bulger]

but if we go with the flow and be politicaly correct we will get no where as the unions of the uk have proved.

if we are to make a differance and get our self's heard then we have to be aggresive and to hell with political correctness and dont be affraid of upsetting anyone as that is how they thrive.

jmo

[Roland]

Thanks Merlin, Owen and all.

I must say, and I don't wish to belittle any and all the other elements that have been brought out in regards of your’ views. The many other things this sport needs, or has a lack of.

Yet I sometime feel that we are in danger losing sight of our first, and what I regard, main objective. That is the threat, the real threat to our fancy, namely the B.O.P. We must walk before we run surely.

If this very real threat isn't controlled, slowed up, then everything else may well become irrelevant in any case.

Secondly, we do need a voice, and ---- you've all heard my rants and going on about it, a P.R. Firm.

I feel that these two elements must take president over all else.

So yes the means to combat and improve our sport, then it's standing with Joe Public etc. I feel once this is up and running, other things can certainly be taken into account, indeed will fall into place. But as we are all aware, it will take cash. No two ways about that.

I realise, only too well, that I need to take on board others help. Others persons are needed to form a committee as such. Others for all important input etc. etc. Three names to be prepared to have the cash account in their' names. 3 names I believe are needed to authorise payments. This needs implement I feel to safe guard, or stopping any misplacement of funds so to speak.

Further, I realise more than most, that I can't afford to alienate any support, especially through ego, or as some may think foolhardy actions.

I/we can't afford any silly slip-ups, especially in the early days. Hence why I ask, and take others views.

Sometimes it feels like I am the unselected leader lol. So therefore more so the reason for quickly getting that sorted. Yes it could very well work that the committee isn’t named publicly, or on here, just a mouth piece to say what is happening, and taking fresh data into account constantly.